Basic PAYE Tool EYU unable to show tax refund

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Hi, 

I need to send in an EYU using Basic PAYE tool after P800 shows tax refunded as a mistake for one of my clients employee. 

I need to enter wrong figures first, showing tax refunded but it does not let me to do so.  

Does anyone came accross a similar situation? 

Any comment is highly appreciated. 

Thank you. 

Csilla

 

 

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By lionofludesch
08th Dec 2016 19:07

You've already entered the wrong figures - with your usual software, presumably.

You don't need to enter them again.

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By Admiral
08th Dec 2016 19:32

Unfortunately, in order to do an EYU in the Basic PAYE tool you need to enter the wrong figures first and on the next page to enter the right ones.
To be honest I do not know why HMRC has in its record twice the amount refunded. Data had been duplicated somehow. I am trying to report the right amount refunded therefore I need to enter negative figures what the software does not let me to do.

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By SteveHa
08th Dec 2016 22:33

Wow. Trusting RTI to process a deliberately wrong EYU and get the correct result?

1st question. Were the original submissions correct? If so, don't try to correct HMRC errors. That's their job. Escalate the issue. Raise a disputed charge.

https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/business/finance-strategy/what-you-need-...

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By Admiral
09th Dec 2016 07:21

Exactly, this is what happenned.
In our FPS-s there was one tax refund when the employee started working for our client, figures picked up from P45.
Now HMRC is chasing the employee that the amount has been refunded twice therefore he owes tax.
Obviously first thing was to contact HMRC and they said that we'll need to file an EYU.
Yes, going into a dispute with HMRC would mean a much longer process than simply just sending in an EYU.

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By lionofludesch
09th Dec 2016 07:43

Admiral wrote:

Exactly, this is what happenned.
In our FPS-s there was one tax refund when the employee started working for our client, figures picked up from P45.
Now HMRC is chasing the employee that the amount has been refunded twice therefore he owes tax.
Obviously first thing was to contact HMRC and they said that we'll need to file an EYU.
Yes, going into a dispute with HMRC would mean a much longer process than simply just sending in an EYU.

Why didn't you say this to start with ???

If you have a P45 backing up your figures, I would pass on the problem to HMRC. You seem to have been perfectly within your rights. Another effect is - this seems to be leading towards you paying HMRC money. Is this to be at your cost ?

Have HMRC genuinely repaid this money twice ? Once via yourselves and once direct to the taxpayer ? Still not clear on that one.

Did you receive another notice of coding ?

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By jcace
08th Dec 2016 23:42

If you use BPT to report an EYU, you won't actually report the original figures or the amended ones, just the difference. You therefore enter 0.00 as the original amount and then increase it in the correct figures box so that the difference is the same as if you had entered a -ve figure.
Does that make sense? That's what HMRC advised me the other day and the resulting EYU showed the correct difference

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By Admiral
09th Dec 2016 07:26

Within BPT this was my starting point:
"You first need to provide the pay and deductions details that were originally submitted to HM Revenue & Customs (you will be asked to provide the corrected details on the next screen)."
This is why I have started with entering the wrong figures.
Wrong tax figure is: -£600 (tax refunded)
Correct tax figure: -£300 (again tax refunded)

How would you deal with this? As HMRC is claiming the £300 back assuming they refunded the amount twice. Which is not true, the amount has been refunded once through payroll when employee changed employment.

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By jcace
09th Dec 2016 13:30

If I've understood your amounts correctly, I would enter original tax as (limited to) £0.00 and enter the corrected tax figure as £300. The resulting EYU will then show an increase in tax due of £300, being the required result.
You weren't using Sage Instant, were you?

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By Admiral
12th Dec 2016 09:22

Thanks for your comments.
I would need to show £300 tax refunded instead of £600.
Both should be a negative figure, or I should be able to show somehow that this was a refund of £300 and not £600.
I think I will contact HMRC again and get them to correct their figures, this is just not right.

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