Blogger
Share this content
0
31
22920

CT41G - Has this form been withdrawn?

One of my colleagues is tyring to register a new company with HMRC but the CT41G seems to have been withdrawn.  She contacted HMRC and was told the form doesn't exist anymore and the details should be entered online.  Can anyone tell me where online?  I see there is a new section on HMRC website once you log in as agent but this doesn't seem to fit the bill.  Any ideas?

Replies

Please login or register to join the discussion.

Eh?

HMRC now send it to the Co's registered address when it is registered at Companies House. (And they did for me just a couple of months ago)

If they don't, they should register here https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/registration/options using the 'Register fro HMRC taxes' link on the right

useful info here: http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?itemId=1082163266&typ...

Thanks (1)

Need a copy?

I've got a pdf version, PM me if you'd like a copy.

@WhichTyler - I've had several clients lose them and the easiest approach is usually to fill in a blank one and send it off.

Thanks (1)

I have a May07 pdf

- if yours is more current I would love one

Thanks (0)

CT41G

Do you have a copy of this you could email me please.  Have wasted all day so far trying to get this sorted!

Thanks (0)

.

Thanks (0)

Latest advice from Stoke CT office

HMRC have withdrawn this form and having spoken to the Stoke office this morning, who were very apologetic, there is no way that an agent can complete the CT41G on line. All the links are for the company to set themselves up on line and register for taxes and submit the information at that point. They have advised me to google the form, complete and submit or email them with the details (they provided me with their emial address). I hope that helps if you haven't managed to sort it out already.

Thanks (0)

FAO: Jayne

jaynealison wrote:

HMRC have withdrawn this form and having spoken to the Stoke office this morning, who were very apologetic, there is no way that an agent can complete the CT41G on line. All the links are for the company to set themselves up on line and register for taxes and submit the information at that point. They have advised me to google the form, complete and submit or email them with the details (they provided me with their emial address). I hope that helps if you haven't managed to sort it out already.

 

Thanks Jayne

could you advise the email address for HMRC Stoke as all my clients are allocated to that office

 

Many Thanks

 

Thanks (0)

Just spoke to Norfolk CT office

CT41G form no longer sent out. However new style letters are being sent out in place of CT41G which will include UTR. This will then be used to file an online style CT41G. The lady I spoke to confirmed this issue has caused them all sorts of grief this week - the only guidance they have is as per the above. They have asked internally for more guidance but as yet have received none.

Thanks (0)

.........Only problem being there isn't an online ct41g - all i can find is a link to enrolling the client for CT online services.  so it's back to printing a blank ct41g out an then mailing.

Don't HMRC realise very few startups will use CT online services anyway.  

 

Grrrrrr 

 

Thanks (0)

Funnily enough ...

... just had a CT41G this morning for a new company I have just formed.

However, it is now an information sheet and not a form to complete.

It directs you to these 2 links

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ct/getting-started/new-company/start-up.htm

 http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ct/ct-online/file-return/online.htm 

Here is the form:(the only bit cut-off is the client details)

 

Thanks (0)

We have been discussing this in the office ...

... and decided, why oh why can't you just put all the available details on the application to register a company - so have the details for registration for public record as the main form, and a supplementary questionaire for data capture for other relevent government departments, such as directors NI/UTR's; date trading to commence; trading address; expected turnover etc etc, tick a box if PAYE,VAT etc wanted and then just have the relevent department send a request for extra information if needed, although the only thing I can think of is the bank account details for VAT - for obvious reasons!

The trouble with government is they al have their little empires and noone is capable of looking at the bigger picture.

Thanks (0)

.

@OGA, how recent was your formation? I have a client formed on the 23rd March with nothing back yet.

So on the new system lets get this right:

1. We wait for the client to get a letter with the UTR number on it (ie as before)

2. We fill in a blank CT41G with the key dates on and send it back OR

2a We write a letter with the same info and send it back (possibly quicker)

2b we register on-line

 

Is there any advantage in doing this on-line?

Ie does the client actually NEED to be registered from now on in order to file through our agent status? I cant think of any.......looks like this will be going the way of CH online filing, ie fairly pointless.

 

 

 

Thanks (0)

Mine was ...

... March 13th, so you have 10 days yet!

I really can't see the point, HMRC set up default periods based on registered date anyway, our IRIS will overwrite with the actual periods if different. As long as they get the forms and tax on time why do they need to know within three months?

 

Thanks (0)

Glad it wasn't just me then....

Glad it wasn't me being thick then, being unable to find the agent's way of doing this online.

What's the point of a client wanting an accountant to do everything and then having to bloomin' create an online account that they don't want just to tell HMRC something they probably don't really need to know because a UTR has been issued so a CT600 can just be filed. Grrrrrrrr. Way to go to balls it up, HMRC.

I'm sure I have a pdf CT41G.... If I haven't, I'll be kicking myself. Sod it, if I haven't, I'll blank out details for an existing one I've got and use that, darnit!

Thanks (0)

CT41G

Hi

 

Just found this one.

http://www.langsff.com/userfiles/file/ct41g.pdf

Hope it helps.

Thanks (0)

TaxCalc includes a CT41G, along with other standard forms. I hope they keep on including the CT41G even though HMRC think a letter is better (but I can't think why!).

Thanks (0)

Who uses Taxcalc?

ShirleyM wrote:

TaxCalc includes a CT41G, along with other standard forms. I hope they keep on including the CT41G even though HMRC think a letter is better (but I can't think why!).

Means you can populate the form with client data rather than hand write it.

Thanks (0)

Did I miss it anywhere or did HMRC give prior notice of withdrawing the old style CT41g and the reason(s) why?

Seems to be another almighty cock up on their behalf - biggest problem now is that so many authorisation codes are being requested that clients ignore the 2nd received onwards as they are under the impression the first one supplied did the job!!

.....Wouldn't it be great if an online authorisation could cover multiple services eg CT, PAYE, SA & VAT all in one.

Nah, I'm being daft nothing could ever be made that simple for us agents!!

Grrrrrrr

 

 

Thanks (0)

I should add

you can print a CT41G off IRIS, at least up to 10.8, updating to 10.9 this evening so we shall see ...

The whole thing is a farce, as long as the CT600 is submitted at the correct time, the tax paid by the due date and the income goes on the directors tax returns why do they need to know, why not just assume trading starts on day of incorporation unless told differently - roll on self serve!

Thanks (0)

I spent 3 hours this morning, on the phone to HMRC, trying to find out how to file the CT41G online. 

The helpline couldn't help me and referred me back to the CT office - who evenutally answered the phone, only to tell me that they "didn't know" and to call the helpline - who already hadn't been able to help me!  So I suggested I print of the CT41G, fill it in manually and send to them as before.  Good idea.  But now I can't find the form to print off!  I haven't read the other posts yet so am hoping somebody has that answer for me!

Frustrating.

Thanks (0)

@Gaynor
Teresarose posted a link to the form at 9am earlier today.

Thanks (0)

Reason for abolishing issue of CT41G?

It is my understanding that a fine can be levied on an entity liable to CT if it fails to notify HMRC of liability to CT within 3 months of commencing to trade.

So, perhaps that secret department of HMRC "Office of fine generation and ingenuity to levy penalties" has been active here?

The CT41G was always a good prompt (especially for unrepresented taxpayers) to notify HMRC of commencing to trade.

Having said all this, I've never seen an instance of a fine / penalty being levied for failure to notify liability to CT.  Nor, for that matter have I seen any evidence of HMRC having a secret department entitled "Office of fine generation and ingenuity to levy penalties", but there certainly seems to be an enthusiasm somewhere within HMRC for making it easier for taxpayers to incur penalties, and doesn't the abolition of form CT41G seem a rather good moneyspinner for HMRC in this context?

==============================================

On a more positive note the following was announced last month (has anyone seen any evidence of the promise being fulfilled?):

           "             iii) Delivering improved digital services

3.10 We will continue to improve our online services so that they are quicker

and easier to use. For example:

• from April, there will be a single online tax registration form via our new

Online Tax Registration Service and new businesses incorporating

online with Companies House will be able to register for Corporation

Tax at the same time            "

Thanks (0)

This is ridiculous...
I am tempted to to just submit a 64-8 for CT and ignore the CT41G form altogether, as there is no longer a clear way an agent can prepare a CT41G for a client using forms currently available directly from HMRC. Borrowing PDFs from third parties is not an acceptable way forward for agents!

This is so ridiculous that I can only assume that this is an interim measure and that there will soon be an online facility for agents to register clients for CT?

Thanks (0)

Can be done online

If you go to your own firm's HMRC Online page, at the top is the 'Register for HMRC taxes' and you complete the details there

Thanks (3)

Many thanks for this...

I have just logged in using my agent details and clicked through 'Register for HMRC taxes' as suggested.  This allows an agent to register a client for corporation tax.  It leads to an online form requesting pretty much the same info that is requested on the printed CT41Gs.  You can specify the date trading started along with the accounting period dates etc.

I take back my earlier criticism!.... but why haven't we been told about this facility? and why don't the tax office staff seem to know about it either? 

Thanks (1)

works ok

bjackson0510 wrote:

I have just logged in using my agent details and clicked through 'Register for HMRC taxes' as suggested.  This allows an agent to register a client for corporation tax.  It leads to an online form requesting pretty much the same info that is requested on the printed CT41Gs.  You can specify the date trading started along with the accounting period dates etc.

I take back my earlier criticism!.... but why haven't we been told about this facility? and why don't the tax office staff seem to know about it either? 

did one earlier today - went through ok - oddly, it doesn't ask forr any directors names/info (so I guess, one will have to remember to register director for self-assessment, rather than relying on the Revenue to pick it up from old form ct41g)

edit - Oh great - can't see anywhere there to register online for SA for a director (only self-employed) - so will have to use paper form

Thanks (0)

CT41g
When I spoke to HMRC they said they thought when you next get a authorisation code for online linkage to a CT case there will be a screen where agents enter company info like the ct41g.

HMRC could not 100% confirm this as they did not have access to the system!?

Thanks (0)

Update

IRIS 10.9 still has the ability to produce the "old" CT41G, pre-populated from the data held.

Have had a look on the agent pages and if you log on to HMRC online services as an agent and then go to your HMRC services there is indeed a link at the top pf the page to "register for HMRC taxes" and this takes you through pages similar to a CT41G.

Thanks (0)

It seems you need the UTR to do anything online. The Company has no UTR as just incorporated.

So stage 1 seems to be do nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks (0)

Ok - here is what I have done

I read the above and cried.

So printed out a CT41g.  Filed it in except utr.  Wrote at the top Co Reg No xxxxx.

Client has been ask to sign and a 64-8 and will send to our Local Corp Tax Office which is in Croydon but note the new address contains Glasgow..

I expect to here in 8-10 weeks!!

HMRC why change a system that has worked for years.

Thanks (0)

Simplified system

We have progress at last ! You can notify HMRC through your agent online account in the usual way to register for a new tax - main menu 'Register for HMRC taxes' and follow the screens through

Thanks (0)