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Do teachers get paid holiday?

Do teachers get paid holiday?

We are about to take over a payroll for a nursery school. The owner says she pays them extra to cover the fact that they don't get paid when the school is closed. Half term, the summer etc. Is this right? Surely they are entitled to the same rights as other employees. She also says there are two types of teacher. One is contract and the other is something else, which she didn't know!!

Any help appreciated!!
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By stgreg
13th May 2009 10:57

response to Mike
What you say sounds logical but there is some special arrangement with HMRC for these people.

Mostly they get paid either termly or every half term and they are run through the payroll.

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12th May 2009 20:28

Paying extra to compensate for holidays
is not allowed per the posts below - just out of interest is this a recent change?

I worked very part time for a tech college 3/4 years ago for a couple of years and their pay rate included an amount for "holiday". I had no problem with this but am now intrigued as to whether it was legal or not!

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12th May 2009 18:02

Double tax on Self-employed ?
@Patrick:
Surely if they are Class4 self-employed then you should not be deducting anything ?

Or is this CIS for Teachers ?

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12th May 2009 14:38

Pre-School Learning Alliance
I have been given something from the Pre-School Learning Alliance which sets out how to calculate holiday pay for someone working term-time only.

They come up on google, so I am sure that a trawl of their website will help you, or at least a telephone number to contact them on.

Claudia

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By Anonymous
12th May 2009 14:11

pay rates
There are published Government rates for teachers pay and for Nursery staff. there are local authority rates for support staff.

Most private schools use these and maybe pay a bit more.

There are also peripatetic (sp?) teachers who come in and do a few classes a week or whatever. These are usualyy self employed - but you are required to deduct PAYE and NIC.

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12th May 2009 11:29

cashflow / cost trade off
I agree with Mike - I does really come down to the contracts

It seems a slightly unusual situation, as far as my experience goes.

I don't know whether you have any power to change or influnce the situation but there is a trade off cashflow and total cost. As things stand you are paying these teachers a higher amount over a shorter period (which has a dual negative impact on cashflow as you will be paying them more earlier, twinned with the fact that they will most likely be receiving a lower net amount due to paying a slightly higher amount on NI).

Should this be spread over a longer period, the total cost would be lower as you could pay them lower for the same net amount (although they may take some convincing over this point). You would also have the benefit of smoothing your cashflow and shifting part of those payments you were originally paying over to the holiday period.

Apologies if you already knew all of this and this post has been in anyway patronising.

Good Luck


Atkinson

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By Anonymous
12th May 2009 09:52

Forgot to add
I am also Chair of Finance for a local school.

Most 'employed' teachers are entitled to all the usual holiday pay etc.

Contract teachers, which we use for short or medium term cover such as sickness or a term's worth of cover for whatever reason, are only paid for the days they work. So for example we currently have a teacher needed to cover one day a week in a class, we are using her on a contract basis so that we will not have to pay her over the summer holidays. The daily rate for contract teachers is generally higher than it would be to employ a standard teacher.

It is the same principle as a temp covering in an office, you pay the agency for exactly the hours that they do. The agency then adds their premium to the rate paid to the temp, so that they can cover employee on-costs.

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By Anonymous
12th May 2009 09:48

Rolled up holiday pay?
I do payroll for a pre-school and they accrue holiday like any normal employee at (now) 28 days including bank holidays.

They are only paid the shifts they work on a weekly basis, (i.e. no pay on bank holidays / odd days off sick or not worked for any other reason) but they are entitled to 28 days pay per year. They are not allowed to take holiday in school term time though. In reality all the staff take this paid holiday entitlement during the summer holidays so they get paid 5.6 weeks worth over the summer when they are not required to work.

It is possible that the client you refer to pays rolled up holiday pay but this appears to be unlawful. A quick google search came up with the article below which explains more about it.

http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=56304

Hope that helps

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12th May 2009 08:50

Basics
Well the first thing to do then is to find all the contracts of engagement !

"Teachers get paid holidays" is a meaningless general statement - it depends on how they are contracted to work, either as PAYE (with presumably paid holiday entitlement and sick pay) or as contract per-week or per-day or whatever, in which case there will be no paid holiday or sick pay.

Some contracts offer a retainer over breaks in work to ensure that the staff will still be available when next required.

This changeover may well be a good time to review the working arrangements ...

Others may well have more authoritative comments !

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