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S392 notice and form AA01 online filing

S392 notice and form AA01 online filing

Due to time constraints there is no way I can get 31 Mar 12 accounts filed on time.
From reading a very similar post recently, I just want to check my ubderstanding. Can I change the ard to 30 march 2012 by filing AA01 online by 31 dec and then get another 3 months to file the accounts made to 30 mar 12. ?!!!!
And can I actually prepare them to 31 Mar since it is within 7 days of my new year end!
Please make my Christmas wish come true and tell me this is correct?!
Am I overlooking anything? Any other forms required?
Thank u all

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23rd Dec 2012 12:38

Correct

Enjoy your Christmas!

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By imbs
23rd Dec 2012 12:54

Yessssssssss!!!
Thank u Santa!

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23rd Dec 2012 14:48

Strictly . . .

You get 3 months from the date the AA01 is filed (NOT 12 months from the new accounting reference date).

So if you file the AA01 today (23 December) you need to get the accounts in by 22 March 2013.

And the next set of accounts would need to be filed by 30 December 2013 (unless you change the accounting reference date again in 12 months from now!)

David

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23rd Dec 2012 15:25

23 March?

Isn't it 3 months and not 3 months less 1 day?

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23rd Dec 2012 15:53

3 months

It's "three months from the date of the notice" in contrast to the normal filing date which is "for a private company, nine months after the end of the relevant accounting reference period", s442 Companies Act 2006.

Call me pedantic, but to my mind 3 months from 23 December takes me to 22 March.

However I think once you file the change of accounting reference date the Companies House website will show the new due date for the accounts.  They may be more generous than I am!

I would get the accounts in by 22 March rather than risk a penalty for being 24 hours late after an extension of nearly 3 months!

David

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23rd Dec 2012 15:59

Answer this

"Call me pedantic, but to my mind 3 months from 23 December takes me to 22 March." What is one day from 23 December? I would say 24 December.

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23rd Dec 2012 16:41

On further investigation

I will go with 23 March - in light of s443(1) and (2).

David

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28th Dec 2012 07:51

CTSA period
I have never had to do the one day shortening trick but will be employing this year for one of my 31st March year ends who will not be done this week.

My Q is around the CT return, when you do the CT return What do you include? Do you adjust that too OR do you file the whole period of trade? My thoughts are you need to adjust but just checking!

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28th Dec 2012 09:01

I think you are confused

The one day trick applies to the ARD not the accounting year end.

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28th Dec 2012 09:13

year-end change

This has been dealt with here earlier - accounts can be prepared to + - 7 days from the new year-end, to make life easier to businesses that like their accounting periods end eg on Saturdays ...

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28th Dec 2012 12:20

confused - nothing new there!

yes I think I am, I guess I was concerned that if the are was shortened the accounts being attached to the ct 600 we're for a period 1 day less (even though they were for the full year)  as usual guess I am trying to worry over nothing! thanks again.

 

 

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30th Dec 2012 14:31

... wow!

I have a Mr Mouse to thank for telling me about this trick, I have used it today!

So... just to clarify, when I prepare the final accounts they are dated 30 March 2012 as opposed to 31 March 2012?

And, with regard to the CT600 I can still use the dates 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012 - even if the accounts filed at CH are dated to 30 March?

Sorry, just want to get it right when the time comes!

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31st Dec 2012 22:55

I like

jaybee661 wrote:

I have a Mr Mouse to thank for telling me about this trick, I have used it today!

Happy Teddy Bears

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30th Dec 2012 15:44

Accounts year end

Not quite, jaybee661.

The statutory accounts will be prepared for the year ended 31 March 2012 and the CT return will cover the year to 31 March 2012 which coincides with the accounts.

Those accounts will be accepted by Companies House because they are made up to a date within 7 days of the company's Accounting Reference Date (of 30 March).

David

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30th Dec 2012 15:51

@davidwinch

davidwinch wrote:

Not quite, jaybee661.

The statutory accounts will be prepared for the year ended 31 March 2012 and the CT return will cover the year to 31 March 2012 which coincides with the accounts.

Those accounts will be accepted by Companies House because they are made up to a date within 7 days of the company's Accounting Reference Date (of 30 March).

David

... brilliantly cleared up, thanks David!

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By Old Greying Accountant
30th Dec 2012 16:10

The only trick then ...

... is remembering to file the next set by 30th December 2013!

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31st Dec 2012 19:32

Shorten accounting period 7x

and you can still prepare accounts to 31.3.  After that, extend it to 7.4. followed by shortening 14x.  This brings CH filing date premanently into line with HMRC.

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By Old Greying Accountant
31st Dec 2012 23:34

Yes but ...

Novakova wrote:

and you can still prepare accounts to 31.3.  After that, extend it to 7.4. followed by shortening 14x.  This brings CH filing date premanently into line with HMRC.

... if you suddenly realise on 31st December they were due 30th December you are stuffed!

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01st Jan 2013 09:22

Before Christmas

Old Greying Accountant wrote:

Novakova wrote:

and you can still prepare accounts to 31.3.  After that, extend it to 7.4. followed by shortening 14x.  This brings CH filing date premanently into line with HMRC.

... if you suddenly realise on 31st December they were due 30th December you are stuffed!

I always check before Christmas the exact filing deadlines for my outstanding companies. I will then shorten the ARD by one day. I've not received the information for two companies so I didn't change the ARD. I don't like changing the ARD but I will do and then make a note to chase these companies more rigorously next year.
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By imbs
02nd Jan 2013 12:22

best trick ever

I really must say a massive thank you for whichever of you genius's noticed this trick and were so kind to share it. 

 

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