2006/07 Penalty Notices

2006/07 Penalty Notices

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Has anyone seen the promised bulletin from HMRC re the recent penalty notice fiasco?

"We have identified that some electronically filed returns (P35 and P14s) have given rise to incorrect penalty notices which were dated 24 September 2007 being issued to employers. "

"We are urgently investigating and will provide an update as soon as we can (by Tuesday 9 October at the latest)."

I had already appealed 4 and have now received another 8!

I think we should all serve penalty notices on HMRC for late submission of this bulletin.

MARGARET SAVAGE

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By neiltonks
11th Oct 2007 09:04

Published yesterday
It's here:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/employers/news-pens.htm

It was published yesterday (10th) but hasn't been publicised on the 'What's new' page although it was circulated around the members of HMRC's Payroll software developers mailing list.

Neil.

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By User deleted
11th Oct 2007 16:19

£100 per month - 1 to 50 Employees
The above penalty structure is disreputable and HMRC cannot resist the temptation to utilize the money-making opportunity it affords.

For the reasons outlined by Robert and Paul, I cannot act for CIS cases in future, which now carries an even worse penalty structure.

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By neiltonks
11th Oct 2007 22:52

HMRC mailing list
Mainly for Euan but possibly of wider interest....

There's more than one HMRC software developers mailing list.

If you are a developer, you can email [email protected] and ask to be put on the PAYE mailing list.

Many of the emails you get are technical but you do also get things such as the bulletin relevant to this thread and advance notice of changes to e-filing and stuff like downtime of electronic services.

I don't know if they will put interested parties who aren't software developers on the list but it may be worth a try. After all, circulating a few extra emails won't cost them a lot!

Neil.

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By Euan MacLennan
11th Oct 2007 11:49

Payroll software developers
Neil

Thank you for pointing us to the statement, but it was not circulated to everyone on the payroll software developers mailing list. I am on that list and I get notified when Notes are issued, but I heard nothing about the 17th May filing penalty statement.

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By PAULGACC
11th Oct 2007 14:40

One law for us and one for HMRC
Prior to reading the comments below and the HMRC statement we had received some penalty notices for returns, that were indeed made on 17th May, and have wasted time copying the receipts from our files and sending in appeal letters.
The client wont pay for this time and postage as they havn't done anything wrong, no doubt HMRC wont pay, so we bear the cost. Does it not annoy you that when the client or us make a mistake, (which is very rare), a rigid penalty swiftly follows however when HMRC make a mistake, (which is becoming increasingly regular), an appology is the best we get. Should we not have some sort of penalty system that works both ways?

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By Robert Hurn
11th Oct 2007 15:19

Significantly fewer than 8%
the HMRC Bulletin
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/employers/2006penalties.htm

states that "initial findings are that significantly lfewer than 8% of all penalty notices are affected". What sort of spin is this, what is significantly less than 8%, 5%?

Why is it that any minor error by client or agent is deemed negligence, but HMRC simply say sorry. It is obvious that an organisation the size of HMRC will make mistakes and however anoying we all tend to accept this. Perhaps they could show clients and agents the same courtesy and improve the ever deteriotaing relationship.


http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/employers/2006penalties.htm

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By asquithandco
12th Oct 2007 15:02

Bill 'em
I'm fed up with the one-way traffic when it comes to the imposition of penalties in the event of genuine errors or mistakes. I have set up a new chargeable code on my time ledger and intend to bill all wasted time arising from HMRC mistakes to HMRC. I am pretty sure I will always clear a profit no matter how severe the HMRC penal regime becomes.

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By AnonymousUser
12th Oct 2007 15:32

BIlling HMRC
Does anyone have the Accounts Payable address for HMRC? It might be a useful thing to have on file!

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By AnonymousUser
13th Oct 2007 12:03

What a shambles
One of my clients show up as not received on my Agent's screeen. I was told by the "Help Desk" that this electronic filing has been received and was in order. I wasn't satisfied with this and sent a letter asking for written confirmation, then after 6 weeks wrote yet again threatening a "Complaint Case". This immediately got me TWO telephone calls FROM East Kilbride. Despite my filing confirmation, plus the Help Desk confirmation that all was well, the P35 was received but not the P14s and I now have to dig out the disk and reinstall to enable me to print and send them manually. They tried to blame my software; if it is not sorted out my client will be charged with a Penalty. This has taken me a considerable amount of time plus further time for printing out P14s, plus postage - where does it all end? No pay for all this extra work. HMRC's system is so inefficient . Of course, this client was filed in exactly the same way as the successful filings. What is the point of online filing when there system cannot cope with it?

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By User deleted
15th Oct 2007 11:43

Whats the point
The point is more penalties for the Treasury and less time for us to spend advising clients. CIS should be fun.

But no, HMRC have not yet got good enough procedures or reliability the technology, and should not have these penalties yet.

It seems very strange that they delayed throughout nearly all of the 90's shortening the deadline and imposing penalties.

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