Annual Return for company for whom director/shareholder has died

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I have a limited company client whose director (one of two directors) and 50% shareholder has died. What to put on the online Annual Return as far as his shareholding is concerned, please? And I assume the part re. directorships can just be completed that he "resigned" at the date of death? First one I've done when an officer has died, hence the dumb question.

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By runningmate
11th Feb 2016 07:46

How about the shares being held by "Estate of Fred Bloggs deceased" ?

RM

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By johngroganjga
11th Feb 2016 08:12

The cessation of his directorship should already have been reported to CH on the usual form of course. Information about directors has to be kept up to date in real time. The annual return is not the place for reporting any changes.

As far as the shareholding is concerned you just do what @runningmate suggests.

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By Justin Bryant
11th Feb 2016 10:48
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By johngroganjga
11th Feb 2016 11:30

Point?

Justin Bryant wrote:

See s126 CA 2006: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/part/8/chapter/2

Not sure what your point is.  That link seems to be to the CA 2006 provisions in relation to registers of members.  What light does that shed on the answer to the OP's question?. 

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By Justin Bryant
11th Feb 2016 11:43

Obviously

A trust or an "estate" is not a legal person, so cannot hold legal title to shares (or anything else) and so should not be entered as such in any share register. You can of course enter the names of the trustees and I think it's acceptable to state that they hold as trustees, executors or whatever.

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By runningmate
11th Feb 2016 11:56

Second attempt

How about "Personal representatives of Fred Bloggs deceased" ?

RM

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By Justin Bryant
11th Feb 2016 12:24

No

You must have a named legal person (a dead person is not a legal person).

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By Richard Willis
11th Feb 2016 12:46

Surely

It hinges on whether or not he has left a will?  If he has, and his shares have been willed to A.N.Other then they, subject to probate, are the legal owners.

Of course if he hasn't left a will and there is nothing to guide in the articles then goodness knows!

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By johngroganjga
11th Feb 2016 12:51

Surely they only belong to the beneficiary when the executors have obtained probate, exhibited it to the company's satisfaction, and executed a transfer. 

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By PCBACFV
11th Feb 2016 13:38

Excecutors


I believe title automatically passes to the Executors of a deceased shareholder on death.  Title remains with the Executors (or in certain circumstances the personal representative(s)) until probate is obtained when title passes to the relevant beneficiary(ies).  This may be the same person(s), but the stages should be recorded separately in the Register of Members.

For the purposes of the Annual Return, it may be appropriate to record the shares as owned by "The Executors of XXX (deceased)" and with an appropriate contact address, but the Register of Members should record the full individual names of the executors and their addresses, together with a note that thy hold the shares as executors of the estate  (in some some circumstances as personal representative) of the deceased.

The Executors may sell the shares before probate is obtained.  In both this situation and subsequently, the CA 2006 s561 pre-emption rights of the remaining shareholders will apply.

Under CA 2006 s167 a death of a Director should be recorded at Companies House within 15 days of the death.  This is done by a remaining Director/Secretary etc. filing Form TM01 with the box recording the death of the Director ticked.

Also depending on how long the company has been established (especially if prior to 2006) consider the Articles to ensure that the Company can operate with a single Director.  If not this could be changed by Members Resolution.

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By Justin Bryant
11th Feb 2016 14:23

Yes, but

As stated above, you need to use their actual names etc.

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By Justin Bryant
11th Feb 2016 15:52

I see

This issue has come up in the case in the link below:

http://www.devereuxchambers.co.uk/assets/docs/general/tribunal_decision-...

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By runningmate
11th Feb 2016 18:24

Third time lucky?

How about "John Smith and Jane Doe as personal representatives of Joe Bloggs deceased" ?

That seems a bit long winded but presumably would not fall foul of s126 Companies Act 2006.

RM

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By Justin Bryant
11th Feb 2016 18:32

Yes

Looks fine.

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By Alan 3969
15th Jun 2016 20:03

Ok. I have a situation where the Shareholder & Director passed away. CH have been informed and updated re Directorship. No Will so no Executor(s). As yet the adult children and Partner have not agreed on how to deal with the Administration of the Estate. So I have no Executor and no Personal Representative. How do I complete the Annual Return?

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By Tim Vane
15th Jun 2016 22:32

Well, you can't complete the annual return because you are not a director or office holder. You can check the articles to see who can apoint officers but as there are no shareholders I suspect that there is nobody to appoint any officers.

In fact, if the company has no officers then I very much doubt you are authorised to do anything for the company at all.

So your only option is to sit back and do nothing until instructed by the new director(s), as appointed by the new shareholder(s), whoever they turn out to be.

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By Alan 3969
16th Jun 2016 08:46

Ok, shouldn't have written in the evening! One shareholder and director has passed away. There is still another director and shareholder instructing me.

I have just spoken to Companies House and they have advised "Leave in deceased persons name until transferred"

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