Do I need to report this to SOCA

Do I need to report this to SOCA

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I may have been a bit of a dimwit here, but anyway, here's my situation:

I had a meeting with an elderly gentlemen who says he normally prepares his sons accounts, but he's getting a little bit old and his memory is going so can I prepare the accounts for him.

His son is a plumber with turnover of around £35k (sole trader). His son still lives with him. The elderly guy then brings in his sons purchase invoices (materials ect) and then more, and then more.

It turns out his son (the plumber) has made a £3,000 loss for the year. For a plumber to make such a loss in my opinion is a bit strange.....er you can see that your not making any money so put your prices up right???

I decided to deliver the accounts to him in person, so went round to the elderly mans house. On arrival I met him and his son, his son was just working at the house finishing off a basement conversion.

I expect that his son has been buying in materials in his business name and doing the work at his (or Dad's) house and putting through the invoices through the business accounts hence his loss for the year. Or simply doing a lot of cash jobs and hiding the money. I can't be sure of course, but just think that any trades person who makes a loss is very suspicious.

I raise this issue with them and they say, "Oh no no, its all legit business expenses". I am not going to file the tax return for this guy, apparently they have someone else who is going to do it for them. They say the accounts are solely for their own use to see how much (or little) money the son is making?

Even if I cannot be sure the accounts are going to be used to file information with HMRC (but I presume they must be), I presume I should still prepare a SOCA report? It seems like some sort of tax evasion has taken place.

I now realize that I should not have taken on the work, but at first it seemed quite normal. Just wanted to know if anyone else has had similar experiences and did they make a report to SOCA???

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By Euan MacLennan
23rd Jul 2014 11:18

The short answer is No

... if only because you would now file a SAR with NCA (National Crime Agency) rather than SOCA.

The slightly longer answer is also No.  All you know is that you have prepared accounts and that "They say the accounts are solely for their own use to see how much (or little) money the son is making".  You have no grounds for even suspecting that a money laundering offence has yet taken place.  Only if you come to know that your accounts have been used for the tax return by the "someone else who is going to do it for them" would you have any suspicion at all.

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By FCExtraordinaire
23rd Jul 2014 12:15

Suspicion

I am led to believe that if you have grounds to suspect tax evasion or under declaring of income,  you should report.   This was the advice of my accountancy body in a similar circumstance so maybe you should give them a call to get advice on your actions.

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By Vaughan Blake1
23rd Jul 2014 14:04

Any suspicion?

On the basis that some figures will at some point have to be reported to HMRC, there is a sporting chance that they will be yours. You must therefore have a reasonable suspicion that tax will be avoided and therefore a report is needed.

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By David Winch
23rd Jul 2014 14:17

Your suspicion

If I understand you correctly this plumber has been in business for longer than just the year you are looking at.  Your suspicion is that for previous years income tax returns have been submitted by him which understate his profits.

You also suspect, I think, that in one or more previous years he would have had a liability for tax if a correct tax return had been submitted - so submitting incorrect figures has resulted in a tax 'saving' for him.

Also I think you suspect that the plumber himself knew that this was the case - i.e. he knew he was 'saving' tax by submitting an incorrect tax return.

If that is the case then you do have a reportable suspicion & should make an appropriate Suspicious Activity Report to the NCA.

The NCA receive about 5,000 reports from accountants every year.

On the other hand if your suspicion is only that a FUTURE tax 'saving' may be made as a result of incorrect figures being supplied to HMRC, or if your suspicion is that the plumber did NOT know that he was obtaining a tax 'saving' by submitting incorrect figures, then you do NOT have a reportable suspicion.

If the plumber genuinely has not realised that the costs of materials for use on his own property & for which there is no corresponding 'sales income' are not "all legit business expenses" then your role is to explain the correct tax treatment to him & prepare appropriate accounts.

I hope that helps.

David

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By stepurhan
23rd Jul 2014 14:19

Remote suspicion?

At the end of the day, you are the one that would bear the consequences of not making a report. If you really feel that uncomfortable about it, then you should make one.

But the suspicion seems remote on the information available. You are two steps away from any tax evasion actually happening.

That the £3,000 loss is actually wrong. Your reasoning for this is no more than a gut feeling, coupled with seeing the young man work on his father's house. But bear in mind you've said the father has been preparing accounts but becoming a bit forgetful. Given that, is it not possible that the business has been making losses and the old man's carelessness with the accounts has not made that obvious to them? They may genuinely have wanted the accounts to find out the true situation to work out what price they should be charging.That, even assuming these figures are incorrect, they will be submitted on a tax return. They have said they won't. For that matter, if they are planning to submit false figures themselves anyway, why even involve you at all? If you don't get them to submit it to lend more credibility to the figures, involving an accountant is just asking for trouble.

I know suspicion is not quite proof, but it seems a little remote to report to me. You have nothing beyond a gut feeling to suggest either of the above will happen. I'd be happy to justify a decision not to report in these circumstances.

 

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By Nicks9991
23rd Jul 2014 14:26

I just want to cover myself

Thanks for your replies

I am not sure what has gone on in previous years, but I am cynical by nature so "only expect" that something dishonest was filed with HMRC. I am also a little paranoid. I do not want my accounts being used in his tax return when I can only assume this guy must be doing something dishonest.

How may of you out there have plumbers who make a loss? I know theoretically it is possible, but in reality??????

I did raise my concerns with them, but thy swore "everything is legit".

I think I need to cover myself and make a report?

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By stepurhan
23rd Jul 2014 14:46

Loss-making businesses

Nicks9991 wrote:
How may of you out there have plumbers who make a loss? I know theoretically it is possible, but in reality??????
People make losses, especially if they have not been tracking their finances well. Are you saying you have never had a client making losses, or that plumbers are somehow immune to them?

The decision to make a report is yours and yours alone. Others have put forward reasons why the situation could be fine. You are unwilling to accept any of them. That is your choice, and you may be correct in your concerns. Regardless, there seems little point in asking the question again. If you are genuinely convinced you have a valid suspicion, and you seem to be, then you need to make a report. Remember, regardless of that we might advise, no-one except you is going to have to live with the consequences.

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By Vaughan Blake1
23rd Jul 2014 15:24

Must admit

I have never come across a self-employed one man band tradesman who made a loss. It usually only goes wrong when they employ staff and take on bigger jobs, which they then don't cost properly. 

If you have a 'suspicion' that tax has been evaded then you must make a report.

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By Marion Hayes
23rd Jul 2014 21:26

No business is immune

I have seen cases where tradesmen  have made losses in previous falls in the housing market. There are really 2 types of plumbers - or other trades for that matter - there is the guy who works for private customers. There are then those who work on new builds and on sites for large building concerns.

When work is scarce they travel futher for work, they work contracts at a lower level of charge in order to try and secure future contracts and prices are set by the contractor or the competition!!

You talk about purchase invoices - were there materials bought for contracts where they were still in stock at the year end ? It has become more common for there to be very few materials invoices as tradesmen are commonly getting customers to provide materials in order to minimise VAT turnover.in the domestic market.

And yes - I would disagree with you when you say it is automatic to increase prices. A properly represented person, with an accountant who is giving good advice would be looking at his management accounts and pricing accordingly, provided the competitive market allows it, but that does not sound to be the case.

 

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By carnmores
24th Jul 2014 13:56

and what will happen if and when he files
With NCA

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By memyself-eye
24th Jul 2014 14:05

Happen?

Nothing.

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By justsotax
24th Jul 2014 14:18

why not just report

all tradesman - afterall I suspect most of them do a cash job at one point or another during the year (alternatively rather than guess...look at the profit of specific jobs or the materials cost vs jobs done...or other appropriate analysis)...he just maybe charging too little or having too many problems on the job, or having to travel excessive miles to win work...etc etc.  But if in doubt assume the worst.

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By carnmores
24th Jul 2014 15:55

bokers bonkers

BONKERS

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By Roland195
24th Jul 2014 16:17

Have you considered your responsibility to your client?

Have you made any attempt to understand your client and his business? I can't help but feel any reasonable accountant would have a feel for if this is a bona fide loss or manufactured by looking at the records.

It is relatively unusual for a plumber to incur significant material cost however would depend on the nature of the work and customer.

Given he also lives at home, it does suggest he could get by without making money, at least in the short term.

Firing off a money laundering report may seem like the easy thing to do and will most likely be ignored however that does not make it right.  

 

 

  

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By unclemonty
24th Jul 2014 17:26

Is there any potential..........

.............for some WIP to have been missed? This could make a significant difference to the bottom line.

Other than that, personally, I'd report. My overriding view now is 'if in doubt, report'. I'll be buggered if there's going to be any chance that I'll brought to task further down the line.

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By jholmes
25th Jul 2014 11:49

Engagement Letter

You say you just want to cover yourself. Surely your engagement letter detailed that the work you prepared was based on the information they provided you. Therefore if they have failed to provide you with all the information there is no come back on you. Perhaps you should contact your PI company and ask their advice?

Personally i do not think a report is necessary as there is no evidence of suspicious activity other than your own cynical thought process. Having said that i see little harm in doing one.

I also do agree that a plumber not making a profit is unusual.

*sharp intake of breath, shake of head* "you have pushed your ironing pile into the emersion heater switch, that'll be £60 call out please" *flicks switch back on* 

 

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By ads.adsmith
25th Jul 2014 11:53

Check the invoices

Presumably when you have prepared the accounts you have been through his purchase invoices?  This should indicate if he is buying boilers, copper pipe, and normal "plumber type" purchases.  If he has been doing a house conversion, as you suggested, then the types of "purchases" will be completely different.  You would then have a valid reason to query the purchases with him.

You could further support your "gut feeling", by checking the sales invoices or quotes and see if he has invoiced for work that looks like it would have needed the types of purchases he has made. 

Presumably, in order to produce his accounts you will have access to the previous years accounts (to obtain opening balances, compare ratios etc etc).  Are you saying therefore that every year he has made losses, or is this a one off because he has been doing a house renovation?

I would have thought that a review of his records and the previous couple of years accounts, would go some way to answer your own questions.

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By macaulay147
25th Jul 2014 12:15

Accounts

If you have prepared accounts which you do not believe show the accurate position why have you signed off on them?

Did you agree any of the items being purchased to sales invoices?

Per most comments above I would find it unusual for a tradesman working for himself to be making a loss. And would want to make sure both I and the client understood the reason for the loss.

If the reasons dont stack up and the client still insists that the figures are 'legit' then I would be disengaging and not signing off the accounts.

 

 

 

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By trecar
25th Jul 2014 13:28

Puzzled

Why on earth would anyone prepare and presumably sign off accounts without satisfying themselves as to the accuracy of what they are signing? I think you are right to be sceptical about what is going on. But you have no evidence about intention and cannot assume responsibility for any subsequent actions by others.

There could be any number of reasons as to why they asked you to prepare accounts and the fact that you showed them making a loss could be just them seeking confirmation of something they already suspected, but the surrounding circumstances do raise concerns. Why choose someone else to file the return? Too many questions with unsatisfactory answers. I would be inclined to notify NCA to cover myself and prepare but not put my name to the accounts. I would assume that they were for internal use only and thus did not need my signature against them. If they insist on the accounts being signed off then it does rather let the cat out of the bag.

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By duncanphilpstate
25th Jul 2014 13:40

Is this loss after he's drawn his income?

Just trying to understand how this loss is occurring. Is it after his labour costs? Which in a sole-traders tax submission would be adjusted back in? (I know my tax knowledge is rusty but surely that can't have changed?) In which case all he might be guilty of is drawing out too much cash.

On the other hand, I struggle to conceive how a plumber would make a loss if you take materials and other non-labour expenses vs sales invoices: you'd have to be pretty dim to charge only for cost of materials with no real uplift. And as others have pointed out, most of them charge a healthy call-out before they even get anything out of the van. What a pity accountants can't pull that one.

As to whether the accounts get used for HMRC or not, your actual accounts may not be, but would someone else be able to prepare a legitimate set that came to a materially different conclusion? If so, how exactly? Just a thought. Meaning whoever prepares and submits, HMRC are going to get much the same bottom line.

(Please correct my ignorance if I over-looked something).

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By susanna russell-smith
25th Jul 2014 14:41

agree with ad.adsmith & macaulay147

I'd have a look through the sales invoices, with particular reference to the year end. With a turnover of only £35k, there won't be an overly vast number  I'd also check the receipts towards the end of the previous year, just in case there were any payments in advance of work done then. Plus I'd double-check stock at this year end.

 I'd say to the client that, given the loss situation, HMRC are likely to query it and set purchases against sales to see if they look like a reasonable cost for the job, are the right sort of stuff for the job and, in particular, that the dates tally.  I'd suggest to the client that it would be best to have at least a sample go at this first before HMRC wades in so that, if there are any anomalies, an explanation for them would be to hand.

I'd ask the client if he ever gets his customers to purchase the necessary materials for him and then give him the receipts.  It may not have occurred to him that he can't claim for materials that he hasn't actually bought.  Many years ago, I briefly acted for a VAT-registered builder who asked me to sort out the mess he was in.  I discovered that he was not only writing down the purchase invoices but also the statement amounts and, because Travis Perkins always put 2 months worth of invoices on their statements, every purchase had been entered three times.  

I also discovered that, since he was vat registered, he thought that meant he was entitled to reclaim vat on everything - including the cost of his mother's funeral wake and his sculling boat. When I got him straight and pointed out that he owed £20k in VAT, he surprisingly happily paid up, relieved to be back on the straight and narrow!

Suggest everything goes through a bank account if it doesn't, so that nothing is missed in future.

I wouldn't put my name on the accounts if I wasn't 100% happy with them.  

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By Marion Hayes
26th Jul 2014 11:00

Perception

is always revealing.

My plumber is not an emergency repair man, unless asked to be. I don't get charged a call out fee , but I do use him for extra work needed as time goes on.

If I had a problem with the washing machine pipe I would call for a plumbing repairs man but that is not the kind of tradesperson I was talking about previously.

 

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By buttercup books
26th Jul 2014 11:26

Is this loss after he's drawn his income?

With reference to duncanphilpstate comment - does the client actually know what "Sales" is.

I have a client - ST - actually a plumber as well, who gave me figures - roughly

Materials £30k expenses £5K - sales £30k - so on first glance a loss of £5k

What he actually meant was Sales is my money, my profit,what I take out of the business -

His Turnover was actually Material £30k + his "Sales" figure of £30k = £60k

Lovely client - he's not an accountant and does not comprehend that his method is incorrect -

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By andy.partridge
26th Jul 2014 14:20

Why

buttercup books wrote:

I have a client - ST - actually a plumber as well, who gave me figures - roughly

Materials £30k expenses £5K - sales £30k - so on first glance a loss of £5k

What he actually meant was Sales is my money, my profit,what I take out of the business -

His Turnover was actually Material £30k + his "Sales" figure of £30k = £60k

Why were his sales not £65k?
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By duncanphilpstate
28th Jul 2014 09:36

There will always be work for us....

There will always be for us while there are people like this. :-)

(And my wife has a similar limited understanding of profit vs sales)

 

 

buttercup books wrote:

With reference to duncanphilpstate comment - does the client actually know what "Sales" is.

I have a client - ST - actually a plumber as well, who gave me figures - roughly

Materials £30k expenses £5K - sales £30k - so on first glance a loss of £5k

What he actually meant was Sales is my money, my profit,what I take out of the business -

His Turnover was actually Material £30k + his "Sales" figure of £30k = £60k

Lovely client - he's not an accountant and does not comprehend that his method is incorrect -

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By HUGH W DUNLOP
26th Jul 2014 19:56

plumbers

I have several smallish plumbers on my books, and for most the formula\ is purchases £10, sales £30. So for someone with purchases of £30k I would expect sales of about £90k.

I believe HMRC has an algorithm which tells them what to expect as turnover from each trade according to their postcode. A friend of mine who was employed by HMRC before retiring told me about this and how significant deviations from this ratio will set alarm bells ringing. So that is one half of the problem hopefully solved.

But then we come to expenses, the biggest of which is usually mileage. I once did a check on a client's claimed mileage calculating the mileage for each invoice and totaling up the mileage to each site. Naturally this was far short of what was claimed. the reason I was given for this was that like the saying plumbers are forgetful and he had to return to base to get more tools or stock, plus as times were hard he made several sales trips. This particular client's turnover was below the VAT threshold and mileage was allowable. I had to believe this explanation and all other expenses had receipts.

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By buttercup books
27th Jul 2014 20:08

that's interesting - new startup - only 6 months history - but this guy mostly fits oil boilers that cost around £2k and fitting is around £1k - so his percentages are never going to meet HMRC expectations - - wonder if that will bring the wrath of the gods down on us

 

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By HUGH W DUNLOP
01st Aug 2014 00:27

wonder if that will bring the wrath of the gods down on us

Does he really charge £3000 for supplying AND fitting a boiler? How many has he fitted so far, and how many does he expect to fit in a year? Even fitting one every two weeks is going to bring him in only £26000, less if you take in 4 weeks off for holidays. I presume he works on his own and has no staff. But he has a van to buy and upkeep on that. Does his wife allow him to keep the boilers, parts and tools in the living room, or does he have a garage large enough for his van AND the boilers? Has he taken his running costs into account, including your fees?  If he is claiming mileage, 10000 miles will give him £4500 as expenses, but will cost roughly £2000 in fuel. plus road tax, servicing, repairs, and of course his own fee for his driving licence

Far from bringing the wrath of the gods, I feel this is going to bring bankruptcy down upon him.

If his charge out rate was £6000 or thereabouts expectations will be met as will continuity of business.

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By Vaughan Blake1
28th Jul 2014 15:48

My personal favorite is....

A subbie from years ago who genuinely believed that what cash he earned on Saturdays was tax free as it was his 'day off' and came from private customers and not main contractors!

Oh, and the unerring logic of the subbie who tried claiming for the cost of a full cooked breakfast every working day as he 'would be fit for nought' if he didn't have one.  He said that he just had toast on his days off!

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By tonyh
28th Jul 2014 17:32

How a plumber can make a loss.

They are useless at the job so customer refuses to pay.

A builder or other client goes bust.

They are druggies or alkies.

They have mental health problems and buy the materials and cannot face the job.

All people that I have had the misfortune to meet over the years all of whom made losses in one man businesses.

So far as ratio goes a boiler for a non registered trader can cost £1800 and fitting charge only £200.

A bathroom suite cost £300 fitting £150.

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By arnold28
28th Jul 2014 18:14

How a plumber can make a loss

tonyh

I don't think we need to me nasty, but I agree with you.

Many plumbers work on a cash basis and as long as the cash is turning over, they don't realise that they are not covering the materials.

And my plumber is afraid that if he puts up his prices I will go elsewhere.

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By David Winch
28th Jul 2014 20:16

Drugs & alcohol?

I would not think the purchases of drugs or alcohol would be business expenses for a plumber!
David

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By carnmores
29th Jul 2014 14:54

@David

off topic but back on legal aid , Lee RIGBY'S killers have had nearly £250k in legal aid . who in their right minds can believe that that was necessary for a fair trial. now one of them has been refused leave to appeal he will doubtless receive (or more correctly his lawyers) another £100k to petition court of appeal directly, complete miss use of the system , they will throw it out and then it will go to the supreme court   

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By buttercup books
29th Jul 2014 23:34

tonyh please tell me who will fit a bathroom for £150 and does he live near me

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By David Winch
30th Jul 2014 09:42

@carnmores

I don't know anything relevant about the case's legal aid costs or the points of law / fact / opinion involved, so I cannot comment.

David

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By BabsHarris
31st Jul 2014 19:51

Should you report suspected fraud

From recent training in money laundering and I understand that if you suspect fraud, tax evasion or money laundering you should report your suspisions and the powers that be can then decide whether to investgate or not.

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By David Winch
31st Jul 2014 21:03

Strictly speaking . . .

Strictly speaking you are only required to report (in England & Wales) suspicions of 'money laundering' (and terrorist finance offences).

If you are undertaking the 'money laundering' yourself then you also need to seek consent to do it (which normally will be given).

However because 'money laundering' is so widely defined then whenever there is a crime committed from which a person obtains a benefit then a 'money laundering' offence will necessarily follow - and so you will have to make a report if you suspect that has happened on the basis of information received in the course of your professional work (unless one of the exemptions applies).

So if I punch my neighbour in the face I obtain no benefit & there is nothing to report.  If I steal his lawnmower then I obtain a benefit and commit a money laundering offence (possession of criminal property) and so if you suspect that as a result of information received in the course of your professional work you have to report it.

The same applies of course to fraud, tax evasion etc.

David

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By stepurhan
01st Aug 2014 10:46

ML Report required?

davidwinch wrote:
So if I punch my neighbour in the face I obtain no benefit & there is nothing to report.  If I steal his lawnmower then I obtain a benefit and commit a money laundering offence
Does being on AccountingWeb count as "in the course of my professional work"? If so, do I need to report that I have come across evidence that David Winch has punched his neighbour on the nose and stolen his lawnmower? :-D
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By David Winch
01st Aug 2014 12:01

Lawnmower

stepurhan wrote:

davidwinch wrote:
So if I punch my neighbour in the face I obtain no benefit & there is nothing to report.  If I steal his lawnmower then I obtain a benefit and commit a money laundering offence

Does being on AccountingWeb count as "in the course of my professional work"? If so, do I need to report that I have come across evidence that David Winch has punched his neighbour on the nose and stolen his lawnmower? :-D

Stephen

You have no need to report the punch because there's no benefit.

Reading AWEB is IMHO not within the definition of the 'regulated sector' - the provision by way of business of accountancy services.

So it seems that I am safe to ride 'my' stolen (hypothetical) lawnmower off into the sunset!

David

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By stepurhan
01st Aug 2014 12:20

Only the best

davidwinch wrote:
So it seems that I am safe to ride 'my' stolen (hypothetical) lawnmower off into the sunset!
Ride, eh. I suppose if you're going to (hypothetically) steal a lawnmower, might as well make it a good one.

On a more serious note, I am assuming the following scenario is excluded as well. Bloke down the pub asks your professional opinion on something. No existing business relationship and nothing set up. In the course of his enquiries, it becomes clear that what he is describing he has done includes an element of money laundering. Presumably no obligation to report under the regs, as information not received in the course of business, even though it is in the same field as the work undertaken in business.

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By HUGH W DUNLOP
02nd Aug 2014 00:15

Lawnmower

Is this a product placement for the Suffolk Punch lawnmower?

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By ShirleyM
02nd Aug 2014 07:04

Suffolk Punches ....

HUGH W DUNLOP wrote:

Is this a product placement for the Suffolk Punch lawnmower?

... leave dirty great hoof prints on your lawn and big piles of something else (but it's good for the roses), although they are quite beautiful and powerful creatures and much more organic than a mechanical or electric lawnmower.

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By HUGH W DUNLOP
04th Aug 2014 09:58

hoof prints

There is a Suffolk Punch lawnmower an a Suffolk Punch horse. The latter is not so common North of the border.

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By jholmes
01st Aug 2014 09:13

Interesting opinions

I just wanted to say that i think it is very interesting to see the array of different opinions on whether or not something needs to be reported.

I wonder if perhaps the difference is dependent on if you are the MLO or a staff member. I always remember being trained to report any and all suspicions as a staff member, but, as a MLO i was trained to sift through these and only report the ones where the suspicions had some level of evidence (be it something the client said or documented).

I dont think there is anything wrong with this, i just think it gives a slightly different perspective to what gets reported to your MLO and what actually gets reported to NCA.

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By ShirleyM
01st Aug 2014 10:57

@Stepurhan

David said 'if', not 'when'.

David obviously managed to resist the temptation. :)

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By David Winch
01st Aug 2014 12:30

@Stephen

I would agree that you are 'off duty' when down the pub and therefore have no obligation to report.

However I would say that where you are conduct an initial free meeting with a potential client you are engaged in the 'regulated sector' - even though there is to be no charge for that meeting.

Suppose you are attending a business breakfast networking event - are you then in the 'regulated sector' or not?  I would tend to think that you are - others may disagree!

David

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By Vaughan Blake1
04th Aug 2014 09:22

What if?

You do your 'networking' down the pub and hear about something dodgy?

I had an initial meeting with a 'walk in' potential in the office.  He blatantly suggested all sorts of very dodgy stuff and had a passport and driving licence in different names. I actually wondered if it was some sort of test, like a mystery shopper!  I did a SOCA report and two days later had a call from the fraud section of the local constabulary.  They asked that if he ever showed up again (which he didn't) to try and hang on to him and give them a call as he was wanted under many an alias for drug related crimes.

It did prove that these reports were read by someone though!

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By jholmes
04th Aug 2014 09:30

Harms way!

Love it! They expect you to delay a potentially dangerous criminal whilst at the same time contacting them to let them know he is in your office!

 

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