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what a load of meaningless tosh....
none of them have got a clue what to do - they say 'neccesity is the mother of invention'.....unfortunately for us the 600 or so individuals debating the UK's future prosperity have no necessity - they draw on their large allowances and travel expenses without being impacted by such things as fuel duty - I wonder if GO could actually tell us what the price of a litre of petrol is or a pint (ok litre) of milk.
They talk with the economists who (after listening to a few in the last few days) come across as mere excel pivot table specialist entering a few numbers and adjusting some variances with the hope of coming up with an answer someone (anyone) will listen to and like (oh they come up with some great phrases too....but unfortunately no answers).
At no point is the man/woman on the ground considered - and why would they....afterall these guys are not the man/woman on the ground......they move in different circles (on different planets). So any 'pain' that we must take is taken by the meaningless man on the street....just a victim of the numbers game....
Hmm...feel better now!
SEIS too small to be effective
I don't think SEIS will be effective.
If a new business is going to attract money from family and friends, I expect that this will happen whether tax relief is granted or not.
If the new business is going to attract equity finance from external investors, the cost of due diligence is going to make a big hole in the tax relief as SEIS is capped at £150K . It is likely that it will remain more attractive to invest in larger "syndicated" EIS where due diligence costs can be spread over a larger investment.
Save £18 Billion a year!!!
Just get us out of the EU and save £18 Billion per year.
We can no longer afford to be in this expensive club.
If you are going down the tubes, the first thing you do is cancel your expensive golf club membership!!! Obvious?
Just get us out of the EU and .impose chinese trade tariffs
not iranian ones they are futile and will raise nil point!
we need the funds and we dont need to subsidise the chinese....
Just get us out of the EU and save £18 Billion per year.
We can no longer afford to be in this expensive club.
If you are going down the tubes, the first thing you do is cancel your expensive golf club membership!!! Obvious?
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What other tricks do you do?
Just get us out of the EU and save £18 Billion per year.
We can no longer afford to be in this expensive club.
If you are going down the tubes, the first thing you do is cancel your expensive golf club membership!!! Obvious?
Excellent example of "accountants" knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Like the value of trade, the benefits of hamonisation, reductions (yes reductions) in red tape -- do you remember what a carnet was? -- etc., etc.
The problem with one-trick-ponies is exactly that. Membership of the EU is a very complex arrangement that can't be glibly dismissed.
I agree
wholeheartedly with justsotax and nekillim. Non of the Eurocrats have got an inkling of what to do. If Hitler were alive he would clean up! Come on Boris don't let the Tories put you out to pasture as Mayor.
Oh no it can't,
oh yes it can.
If USSR can do it (yes I know it's slightly different) then surely we can go back to EFTA. In fact the EU is bankrupt and by this time next year if it's not disbanded we will all go down with it. The structure has to be changed because it is a drain on all resourses and that's not what it should be about.
If Greece had their own currency they could have devalued, people would have spent loads of money on holiday - coffers full again.
Trouble is the politicians still want a Federal Europe.
Stop blaming Europe for domestic problems
As one who does much trade with Europe, I categorically disagree with the idea that we need to get out of Europe and think it is very dangerous and unhelpful to dismiss all its countries as technocrats. Do people realize for example that Germany has much less red tape when it comes to small business? For many years now it has been possible, in companies of 10 or less, to dismiss employees on 30 days notice when necessary for financial reasons. Much easier than in the UK. Do people know that in Belgium and the Netherlands it is FAR easier for small IT companies to sell into the public sector? In the UK we impose much red tape onto ourselves and when people complain about it we blame everything on the EU. It's wrong, facile and if we keep deluding ourselves that Europe is responsible for all of our economic woes, we'll end up even more isolated and poor as a nation.
Federal Europe
Hmm, can't say they do. The Germans are battling with the reality of having the benefits of a single currency without transferring their wealth to other nations.
One thing's for sure, Europe is definitely going through some huge changes in strategy. There can't be many people in Europe who think that expansion for the sake of it has not been a good thing. That and the systemic lies that lead to under-qualified states (Greece, etc.) joining the Euro.
To suggest that the UK can thrive on its own apart from Europe is simplistic at the very least. With globalisation and our lack of large-scale manufacturing, not to mention the Internet knocking seven bells out of trading, it's likely to be rather lonely outside of a European trading bloc. The UK is a shadow of its former self -- stop deluding yourself otherwise, for goodness sake we haven't even got an aircraft carrier.
At long last
we hear tonight that the structure of Europe needs to be looked at. Perhaps someone is listening to me and many others.
The concept of free trade, movement of labour amongst countries (not only Europe) is sound. The imposition of rules and regulations determined by an unelected rabble on sensible people is not only lunacy but destructive as we can now see. We are quite capable of governing ourselves without the interference of an unelected body.
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we hear tonight that the structure of Europe needs to be looked at. Perhaps someone is listening to me and many others.
The concept of free trade, movement of labour amongst countries (not only Europe) is sound. The imposition of rules and regulations determined by an unelected rabble on sensible people is not only lunacy but destructive as we can now see. We are quite capable of governing ourselves without the interference of an unelected body.
the concept of free trade being an ADVANTAGE to the UK when it comes to the EU is an anathema:
most of the eu/euro/PIIGS/bail out/club med countries are basket cases having been bank rolled by THE EEC well before it was rebranded the EU.
there are simple basic facts that have always made the uk a NET BILL PAYER/CONTRIBUTOR to the EEC.
a)we are small country that relies on overseas trade-france and germany have far more INTERNAL trade.
b)its alot easier to get work or set up a business here than in all EEC countries so immigrants make the trail here to learn english
c)VAT EEC bills are paid by every penny of our chinese, african carribean Imports.
d)THE LABOUR/SOCIAL SERVICES SUBSIDY in all eec countries mean that the UK is not playing on a level playing field (why else did peugoet sack british workers closing its factory and keep french one?s)
e)social chapter; european fisheries policy; CAP; human rights legislation; all other EU directives the british follow methodically and carefully; everyone else pays lipservice to it-QED spanish fisherman in british waters; financial serices industry directives post 2008.........;
get real: