The curious case of the P11D letters

Letters from HMRC about annual P11D forms for benefits and expenses paid to employees have confused some AccountingWEB members.

Accountants have said that last month some of their clients received requests for P11D forms (for things such as company cars and health insurance) even though the deadline for submitting them wasn't until 6 July.

HudsonCo said two of their clients received requests for P11Ds dated 23 June.

Both clients run their own payrolls and neither has any true benefits in kind although some reimbursed travel expenses, HudsonCo said.

"Has anyone else received any of these letters out of the blue?," HudsonCo asked. "Is HMRC trawling for penalties by sending these letters late?"

Davgisbson00 said he had received a handful of requests for P11Ds and when he phoned HMRC for clarification he was told "well we're sending them to all employers".

Back to HMRC. A spokesman told Accounting WEB it was not aware of letters sent incorrectly.

"What your readers may be referring to are reminder letters that were sent out on 23 June, reminding employers of the need to submit P11D(b)s and P11Ds by 6 July and that penalties will be charged from 19 July, but primarily to remind employers of the need to make payment of Class 1A NICs by 19 July if paying by post, or 22 July if paying by electronic means and provides a payslip to make this payment."

 

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JCresswellTax's picture

I don't think it's curious

JCresswellTax | | Permalink

Quote:

"What your readers may be referring to are reminder letters that were sent out on 23 June, reminding employers of the need to submit P11D(b)s and P11Ds by 6 July and that penalties will be charged from 19 July, but primarily to remind employers of the need to make payment of Class 1A NICs by 19 July if paying by post, or 22 July if paying by electronic means and provides a payslip to make this payment."

 

I think its quite obvious thats what the 'reminders' were for!

carnmores's picture

were they only sent to those who stated

carnmores | | Permalink

On their ye EPS FPS that they would be due?

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ireallyshouldkn... | | Permalink

We had one in for every single payroll, regardless of whether we ticked "no P11D's due"

I was told on the phone they sent out a blanket batch to every single payroll and to ignore it.

Letters received irrespective of Y/E FPS/EPS    2 thanks

AdShawBPR | | Permalink

I received these reminders despite ticking the box to say P11D's weren't due.  Called HMRC to double check and they agreed record said none due so I should ignore.  This is stupid.  It wasted my time and made me double check my own records and returns, but it is also in danger of turning all HMRC mail into another form of junk mail.  If letters are sent by HMRC and I'm told to disregard them - by HMRC - why should I bother taking account of other letters and reminders?  Crazy.

Deliberately late reminders?    1 thanks

HudsonCo | | Permalink

Letters dated 23 June came to the two clients (both run their own payroll) through the usual slow HMRC postal system and both arrived the day AFTER the deadline so they were ineffective as reminders. I would have thought it was common knowledge that HMRC post takes two weeks so this timing seems poor judgement at best. Today HMRC PAYE quoted 29 August to respond to a query. We received no reminders for our own payroll clients as most have P11D dispensations in place and we ticked the box on the payroll.

Complain    1 thanks

TaxMatters | | Permalink

I too received these letters. I printed off the submission and put together a polite letter pointing out that my time is the commodity that I sell and that I couldn't afford to use it to sort out HMRC letters of this nature. I feel that HMRC will treat actions like this as a bagatelle unless enough of us complain about it. Please put pen to paper colleagues!