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some of us
resent the fact that anyone and their dog can call themselves a tax adviser....guess it works both ways.
A politician not being
A politician not being totally transparent in their dealings with public life. who'd have thought of it? Mind you, looking at the number of self-styled "experts" all over the media these days, anyone could probably blag their way into high office by just looking like they know what they're talking about. Believe me, it happens
It does seem that dishonesty is a job requirement for large corporate or government.
Wonder who kicked up a fuss? The ICAEW?
It is about time that some spin was re spun as deliberately misleading and fraudulent statements. There was perhaps a financial gain in his appointment.
Fraud by false representation?
Clean audit report
The thing that puzzles me is the clean audit report despite the £1.5 billion black hole.
high standards indeed
There may be a more important aspect here....
I don't engage with a Company until and unless I have checked it out thoroughly; I don't go near it by default if it does OTHER than file FULL and NOT ABBREVAITED accounts, and if it does NOT use the accruals principle in preparing those FULL accounts.
you may have honourable standards, but i can't be so fussy,
of my 120 clients, none file the accounts you require, so i shall let my wife have the good news she has been badgering me for - abell morliss has shut - due to the appalling standards of its clients.
High Standards?
Dear Peter,
Speaking as a user of accountants services rather than an accountant I must say you have an interesting view point. I suggest you might consider being paid by HMRC since you seem to be more interested in working for their benefit than that of your paying clients
Why don't the organisations that can properly lay claim to the 'Chartered Accountant' title advertise and educate a little more, no one but accountants understands this, and sometimes not even accountants. I know CIMA accountants are trained very lightly in financial accounting, group accounting, audit, tax, very lightly indeed but still command significant industry roles in those areas, down to lack of recruiters knowledge.
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This is the second time in the last couple of weeks that somebody appointed to a high office has previously demonstrated his own incompetence in his personal affairs by being declared bankrupt.
Frankly that is a very naive view of bankruptcy!
Another example of governance failing
This is just another example of the poor governance in place (or not in place) within the Co-op Group. As a financial services company they should have performed adequate due diligence (both on appointment to the Board and ongoing checks) as part of their resposibilities to ensure compliance with the FCA's Rulebook. May have a s166 heading their way............
It speaks volumes where the current Board have rejected a number of governance changes from Lord Paul Myners and "suggested" he leave the Board after 4 months. The culture needs to change, and fast otherwise we could see the loss of another organisation with deep rooted history.
@peter (or Daniel I presume)
your clients must love you, disclose full accounts with Co Hse...all info for competition to mull over?
Why should any of this surprise us ?
Seems the Co-Op group has let in some dodgy people and put up with their incompetence in financial affairs for far too long and the results are now laid bare for all to see. If you have the right connections and political leanings, are brass-necked and are able to pass off fiction as fact, bare faced lies as truth to the television media, press, share holders and regulatory bodies then you are in the club and rewarded quite well for this performance. And while the merry go round continues and the music plays on then it seems no one asks those awkward questions which need to be asked, too big to fail then. Tip of the iceberg as ever.
Coop CA
Did he say he qualified as a Chartered Accountant or he was a Chartered Accountant?Either way no one can take away the skills and knowledge that he acquired and the taxing drudgery of work he endured in qualifying.However he may not be a practising Chartered Accountant for some reason.
MM
Hmrc get the full set anyway.
Full statutory accounts are still required by the companies act, although compliance is at an all time low level despite this being a criminal offence.
abbreviated accounts are a good thing as others really do not need your turnover and profit figures.
The trouble is HMRC and companies house have no clue what they are looking at anyway.
Which is what is leading to a fraud free for all.
Who Else
One wonders exactly how adequately senior members (excluding the bank) are qualified, including by the appropriate experience to run such a large organisation as the Co op. The resignations of Euan Sutherland, Lord Myners and losses of £2.3 billion says not much.