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Minister for Modern Slavery
My wife works for me and thinks modern slavery applies to her and that I should be bought to account!
feckless
Will this law have the same effect as the one that already does purports to do that, as in MLR2007
Like we think another new law is going to make any difference at all.
or is it a reduction from 14 years inside to 5 to encourage this activity.
Even if they report themselves they have no chance of being prosecuted.
Really is an absolute Joke!
So looks like
the old conspiracy law coming back again. Then it's by virtue of the fact that your client is a criminal (which you are genuinely unaware of) that you get carted off to prison.
The person who thought this crap up should themselves be put in prison. This is the biggest load of crap that I have heard of in ages.
We have enough laws to sort this out. We don't need anymore. It's just incompetence that causes more laws of this nature to be thought of.
Let's spend some time on chasing all the illegals committing crime after crime then not being allowed to be deported because they are entitled to this that and the other, but, of course, that costs money and there is nothing to come back in the kitty.
It would be interesting to know how many lawyers, accountants, revenue inspectors. MP's etc. are involved in organised crime and money laundering. Enough to make new laws - I don't think so.
If we haven't got laws enough to put organised gangs away then we are in a pretty poor situation and the government should resign.
No I haven't knowingly got any criminal clients. Yes your right it will only be the innocent that get done. Your client paid you out of a "private" so off to jail you go.
laugh!
"Minister for modern slavery and organised crime Karen Bradley said the new offence sends out a clear message to corrupt individuals."
What a giraffe. Do they just make up name badges.
I think this sends a clear message that Ms Bradley hasn't got a clue.
What party is she? So I don't endorse by accident.
Are they for slavery then or should it be minister against. Difficult to fathom is the dark side too much vested interest in criminality.
In reply to The Black Knight
She's a Tory - or as Peter Hitchens always says in the Mail on Sunday, Blue Labour."Minister for modern slavery and organised crime Karen Bradley said the new offence sends out a clear message to corrupt individuals."
What a giraffe. Do they just make up name badges.
I think this sends a clear message that Ms Bradley hasn't got a clue.
What party is she? So I don't endorse by accident.
Are they for slavery then or should it be minister against. Difficult to fathom is the dark side too much vested interest in criminality.
Thank You
She's a Tory - or as Peter Hitchens always says in the Mail on Sunday, Blue Labour.
that Nigel what's his name is beginning to look like a god like in comparison.
We also have
Felicity Banks asking to make it clear "what is acceptable behaviour"
How do these people get these jobs? Got it. Not only do ethnic groups have to be represented, but incompetence groups also have to be represented.
Bankers are a law unto themselves.
Mucking up the law
Felicity Banks asking to make it clear "what is acceptable behaviour"
How do these people get these jobs? Got it. Not only do ethnic groups have to be represented, but incompetence groups also have to be represented.
I think, to be fair, that Ms Banks was making a coded plea to government to ensure that the new provisions improve the law - and do not muck it up!
David
The new legislation
We shall have to see what exactly is in the new legislation. As is the case with the Budget speech we do not get the important detail on Day 1.
Some of this appears to be designed to further limit the discretion of judges when sentencing. The judges though are not the criminals!
We already have severe confiscation statute law - but the enforcement of the law can be haphazard or ineffective. Making yet more statute law does not address that.
There are some areas where the law could do with some tidying up & has arguably been interpreted by the criminal courts in ways which were not anticipated when POCA was enacted in 2002. There is some scope for improvement - let's hope that arrives in the new legislation.
But could one be forgiven for thinking that the government wishes to be seen to be doing something (without spending money)?
David
So your client hides
the fact that he is a criminal from you and you are guilty of not having found out!!!!!! Exactly what sort of crimes are we talking about, all and any?
@David
The only thing that government take notice of is straight talking, as proved in the last elections. Nigel has shown that the days of hush hush are numbered.
Come on David when hasn't government "mucked it up".
How naive can you be
I thought that Police officers were trained and dedicated to catching criminals? Talk about job/work diversity.
Methinks that
all Police Officer powers have been eroded. Have you ever watched Police patrol etc. They can't even arrest illegals, just tell them they got to go to a place in Liverpool. At the end of the program they always say they didn't turn up.
so what about innocent till proven guilty
shall we chuck that one out as well.......................
Our clients are our friends and we earn a living from them. The govt are our enemies who steal from us, squander the money and through their own incompetence are still in debt. What accountant in his right mind would shop a client? These stupid laws will not get us to do their dirty work for them.
well..
Our clients are our friends and we earn a living from them. The govt are our enemies who steal from us, squander the money and through their own incompetence are still in debt. What accountant in his right mind would shop a client? These stupid laws will not get us to do their dirty work for them.
Just this morning I had a call from my client, Don Corleone. He asked me about offing one of his suppliers. I told him he couldn't do that, een if he removed the record from the purchase ledger the liability would still have to be settled. The line just went dead. I think I should make a ML report.
@Marlinman & @gerrysims
Gerry is quite correct that removing the liability to the supplier from the purchase ledger would be reportable if dishonest (but 'offing' the guy would not of itself trigger an obligation to report).
As we know accountants do file approximately 5,000 reports every year under the existing legislation (and presumably a high proportion of those will relate to clients, former clients or potential clients).
The new offence may have some similarity to an existing offence under Scottish law which also obliges family members to 'shop' suspected criminals in specified circumstances. My understanding is that the new English law will not go that far.
David
@ David
The English law might not go that far but you can bet your sweet life that when HMRC get hold of it, it will be twisted out of all proportion.
So what abour being innocent until proven guilty
They have already abandoned that principle yesterday by demanding payments up front where "they" decide its appropriate.
Also if no one noticed they are now going back 10 years in those same cases.
Then again who cares, its only the rich who will be effected and in a socialist country - which this is - the 99% carry the day.
The problem is the vast majority of accountants treasure their "professional" image above the interests of the people (clients) who feed them and their children.
Time to revolt, French style, against Osborne, Alexander and HMRC.
Can you imagine
if every worker stopped being on PAYE and had their own Limited Company. What a revolt that would be.
Might make some people think a bit.
they would be better off prosecuting
They would be better off prosecuting these imaginary offenders.
It's 10 years since the general money laundering legislation was enacted, and all it has done is waste resources.
Surely the lack of a prosecution proves that there are no accountants or solicitors that assist criminals so why we need more legislation? Just for spin purposes?
A bit like taking MP's fraud more seriously in future. Was the fraud act not already sufficient. All of which should have been prosecuted. Not just a token few.
All that I know as a voter is a fair proportion of MP's are corrupt. Which ones I can't quite remember.
or is this like deliberate wrongdoing just lowering the penalties and thus the seriousness of the offence.
sounds like the storyline from The Firm.
We are not good enough to catch the criminals so we will prosecute the next best thing. This will put a dent into the criminals.
NEVER HAPPEN
We are not good enough to catch the criminals so we will prosecute the next best thing. This will put a dent into the criminals.
It will never happen.
They are not good enough - agree.
They have no will - general apathy of government supported individuals.
They have spent all their resources on a health a safety briefing about drinking tea or such like.
Added to which if no prosecution for the crime results there was no crime.
Top tips for extra safety - make it large - make it complicated they will drop the case - multiple defendants with a cut throat defence - bribe an officer - become an informant they have immunity from action (the proceeds of crime keeps the informants payments out of the budget. Sort of off balance sheet financing for government departments) - report it to artists formally known as SOCA for exemption from enquiry on grounds they already know.
State of the nation
And we have the gall to criticise Vladimir Putin and his Stalinist state!
The proposed new offence
I have written an item in the Money Laundering & Crime discussion group which gives further details about the proposed new offence.
You can find the article HERE.
David
How about putting everybody in prison and upon release let them all claim benefits to live. Then what would happen is that all MPs, Judges, Court officials, Police, Crown Prosecution etc would all have to work harder to earn the money to keep people in prison and on benefits. This society is quickly becoming a joke. We accountants work very long, harduous hours eating into unsocial hours and this is the way we get treated. It is a pity Guy Fawkes is not around any longer!