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RTI for practitioners: What you need to know

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Final preparations for the roll-out of RTI from 6 April should be underway at this stage for accountants and their clients.

Queries and comments about the PAYE change have been flooding into Any Answers as practitioners’ attention swings from self assessment to RTI. This article summarises key points that have been raised in the past few weeks and points you at further articles, answers and resources to help your preparations.

What is RTI?

Just in case you don’t know yet - which is unlikely - RTI is a new PAYE regime under which employers need to file information online each time they pay employees, rather than doing a reconciliation of payments made throughout the year and submitting them on the traditional P14 and P35 year-end forms.

To handle RTI submissions, you will need RTI-ready systems, ranging from HMRC’s free Basic PAYE tool, which can cope with up to nine employees, to more widely used commercial packages. Organisations not yet equipped will need to get someone to file for them, or get new software. HMRC's list of recognised software is a good place to start, and its business readiness checklist will give you a wider overview of the requirements.

RTI timeline

HMRC began sending out RTI notification letters last week, which some AccountingWEB members have already received.

Most employers will join RTI from 6 April. When a small business completes its first payroll run, the initial full payment submission (FPS) will update HMRC’s database with employee details. Make sure to include employees' full names and details, otherwise the submission could be rejected.

Potential troublespots

According to Rebecca Benneyworth, at this late stage practitioners shouldn’t be concerned with what RTI is, but the steps they need to take in the coming weeks to prepare - particularly if they're using it as an opportunity to take on new clients.

Among the most common queries are:

  • How to deal with directors who take most of their income in the form of dividends - directors of one-man companies can continue to pay themselves below the lower earnings limit and so avoid having to operate a PAYE scheme. But if any employee is paid above the LEL, then the payment details of all company employees (including directors, if they have contracts of employement), have to be included in RTI submissions. Flags in the software allow you to identify those who are paid infrequently. Use this for any directors in this situation, as filing three consequtive monthly nil returns could see them disappear from HMRC's employee list. Also see Rebecca Benneyworth's analysis of the issue in RTI troublespots: Low-paid directors.
  • The New method of dealing with new starters’ tax codes, rather than traditional P46 - you will not need to submit any joiner or leaver information as the RTI submission itself covers everyone being paid by the employer, advises Paul Scholes. You will still have to issue form P45 to a leaver to take to his new employer so that they can pick up his PAYE code and gross pay and tax to date correctly.
  • Interaction with CIS - Those filing CIS300s should continue doing so. HMRC will use the information to match the amounts offset within the employer's payment summary (EPS), which should arrive at total liability, advises Tom McLellan from 12Pay, who has answered many, many questions on RTI issues to date.

AccountingWEB has also documented numerous debates and arguments about the transition, including:

What’s not changing?

While it’s always worth keeping abreast of the changes, here’s what staying the same under RTI:

  • Coding notices
  • Reporting an employee records change to HMRC
  • HMRC messages to employers - these will still be via EDI and DPS
  • Payment dates to HMRC
  • P60s
  • Expenses and benefits reporting

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By Andrew Bebb
25th Feb 2013 14:52

RTI

There is one problem which I have not seen any reference to. What happens when the person responsible for submitting the payroll goes on holiday This will cause problems for any payroll bureau  run by one person who has clients who are paid weekly. Or for small businesses run by one person. I am sure that I am not the only one for whom this is a potential problem.

For example, I have a client with weekly paid staff, who receive varying amounts of overtime in round sums. At the end of the month I gross this up to get the correct tax & NI. With monthly submissions this is no problem, but if the information has to be transmitted each pay day, what happens when I go away? Getting someone else to do the payroll while I am away is an impossiblility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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By chatman
25th Feb 2013 22:25

Doing Payroll Whilst on Holiday

Andrew Bebb wrote:
what happens when I go away? Getting someone else to do the payroll while I am away is an impossiblility.

I am a one-man band, and I have done payrolls from three different continents whilst on holiday, using Logmein to access my computer. Having said that, the last time I did it, my home internet connection had gone down and I couldn't access my work computer, so I had to log in to someone else's, download my data onto it from Dropbox, download and install Moneysoft Payroll Manager, do the payroll, send it to the client, save the data back onto Dropbox and delete it all from the computer I was working on remotely.

As a result, I would recommend getting a cheap laptop, loading your payroll software onto it, synchronising the data with your main PC, using Dropbox, Wuala, SugarSync, whatever etc, taking it with you and making sure you have an internet connection when you are on holiday (using a smart phone if no other option available).

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By The Tax Factory Ltd
25th Feb 2013 16:47

RTI - AUTHORISATION FOR SUBMISSION OF EAS, FPS AND EPS

On another issue, is everyone going to get the client to authorise the submission of the EAS, FPS and/or EPS prior to their submission to the Taxman (in the same way that the client would have approved the Form P35 prior to its submisison)?

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By Kazmc
27th Feb 2013 07:01

Authorisation?????

The Tax Factory Ltd wrote:

On another issue, is everyone going to get the client to authorise the submission of the EAS, FPS and/or EPS prior to their submission to the Taxman (in the same way that the client would have approved the Form P35 prior to its submisison)?


We gave this problem too and just don't know where to go to get the answer.
We have 100 annual director payrolls in the pilot and these have to be run in month 12 and the FPS submitted in march. We used to get signed authority from client who agreed P35 figures before we submitted them however now we don't have until 19 may to do so. Totally impractical to get signatures so quickly now as final FPS is 5 April and declaration by 19 April.
Does anyone know the answer??
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By DMGbus
27th Feb 2013 08:50

Auihority to submit

I would have thought an appropriate phrase (to include in a payroll engagement letter) would be along the lines of...

" We authorsise you to make the relevant RTI submissions based on the information that we provide to you. "

This would, of course, be backed up by specifying timescales for the employer to provide the data (ie. how many days or hours before an employees pay date).

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By Kazmc
27th Feb 2013 09:05

Authorisation....

DMGbus wrote:

I would have thought an appropriate phrase (to include in a payroll engagement letter) would be along the lines of...

" We authorsise you to make the relevant RTI submissions based on the information that we provide to you. "

This would, of course, be backed up by specifying timescales for the employer to provide the data (ie. how many days or hours before an employees pay date).

 

Hi there

Yes that's ok for new clients going forward but we are unsure what to do for yearend 12/13 for the Annual Director only payrolls in the pilot (100 of them!)

We have always had their authorisation to submit to HMRC but there is just not the time this year now we are in RTI?? Sometimes wish we had not joined the pilot!!

 

Many thanks for your comment

Karen

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By Hazel Edwards
08th Mar 2013 13:19

Authorisation...

Hello Karen, my advice to you would be to start preparing the payroll now as opposed to leaving it until the End of March.  This will buy you time to obtain confirmation (if you need to as it seems you have that anyway) from the employers prior to submitting the final FPS. Returns can be filed in this tax year.

We only have one employer in the pilot, so I have started all the March payrolls now (including Director only payrolls), updating, preparing the P35 return, sending this out for checking and signature and giving them a date to return the form back to me.  I intend filing the EOY's before the end of March so that I can focus on the RTI submissions (EAS, then FPS/EPS) after 6th April. 

 

Hope that helps :-)

Hazel

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By crosscast
26th Feb 2013 12:41

rti cis refunds

If we are not doing P35's how to we sort out CIS refunds?

Asked HMIT who claimed they are not sure yet????????

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