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If you were Scottish would you ditch Sterling for the Euro ?

23rd Apr 2013
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George Osborne has unleashed a very clever weapon in the Scottish referendum debate. As a very jingoistic and proud people most Scots would tell you that they woud like to be independent. Take a trip up north for a few days , watch the news and take in the street scene , and you can't help but feeling that England is a foreign country , the English an imperial master.  This has been the SNP's strongest hand , pandering to the masses . However, I cannot see any level headed Scot relishing the Euro taking over. The very mention of the currency must surely send shivers up the kilt of the most ardent nationalist.

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By mrme89
23rd Apr 2013 11:27

Euro

You are assuming that, should Scotland become independent that they would automatically be accepted in to the Eurozone.   

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By User deleted
23rd Apr 2013 11:52

I think that's a given ...

... based on two main reasons:

The EU is power hungryIt would stick to fingers up at the English, who are the thorn in their side!

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By Roland195
23rd Apr 2013 12:08

God help us all

If Scottish Independance went ahead, I give it three years before some disaster causes us to go cap in hand back to the UK asking to be let back in as with the Darien Scheme which allowed the Act of Union to proceed in the first place.  

Is life under the tyranny of England (and Wales & NI) so bad? I don't recall anyone turning up on my Wedding night for the first go with my new wife.

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By Roger.Thornton
23rd Apr 2013 12:48

One huge unanswered question.

If Scotland votes for independence, what portion of the national debt are they taking with them? The money borrowed by governments has been spent as much on Scotland as anyone else, so a portion of it is Scotland's debt - not ours. I wonder just how that figure will be worked out, and just how Scotland proposes to pay it?

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Norman Younger
By Norman Younger
23rd Apr 2013 14:20

Scotland

Interesting comments above and I agree with each of them. EU membership is a given because the EU are desperate to expand their tentacles and claim how viable the whole EU shindig is .

I would put my money on Scotland going belly up in around 5 - 7 years of independence.

Time to declare my interest...a Scot in England !

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By Roger.Thornton
23rd Apr 2013 15:23

EU migrant workers

Flying Scotsman wrote:

Time to declare my interest...a Scot in England !

 

So if Scotland becomes independent does that mean you will be classed as an economic migrant alongside the Poles, Bulgarians etc?

 

 

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By Norman Younger
23rd Apr 2013 15:30

Classifying me

A good point indeed . However, when it comes to manual skills involving dexterity it's a non-starter.

Funnily enough my cars have the Scottish saltire on the number plates and 2 of them have Glasgow registrations , so from that aspect there is a similarity to our Eastern European brethren. However, my steering wheels are on the right hand side.

I am curious to know whether the socialist up north will adopt the aggressive US tax position of makign you liable by birth wherever you live.

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By mn2taxhbj
23rd Apr 2013 16:27

As a Scot

first of all I should declare that I do not see independence happening.

However if it does, England should beware.... Alex Salmond will run rings round George Osborne in the negotiations about the share of the debt assumed by Scotland, and also the share of oil etc retained by Scotland.

There is no possibility of Scotland being forced to leave the EU - the French and Germans will get together to find a way of ensuring that this is the case, just for the sheer fun of sticking it up the English!  it is only if they are forced to leave and rejoin that they need to join the Euro and also the border control agreement (Schengen?)

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By User deleted
23rd Apr 2013 17:25

Ah well ...

... the Scots always were a parcel of rogues after the English gold!

(Probably find it's all under Gordon Brown's mattress).

Salmond thinks the English have taken the oil, wait until the EU get their hands on it (and most of the cash has gone back in the form of jobs and benefits anyway)

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By User deleted
24th Apr 2013 09:00

Free University for English ...

On the plus side ...

English students could have free education along with the rest of the EU at Scottish Universities - unlike the present situation where everyone except the English are allowed this facility

Hugely discriminatory!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-14607122

 

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By B Roberts
24th Apr 2013 09:31

"Free" ?

JC wrote:

English students could have free education along with the rest of the EU at Scottish Universities

 

Unfortunately, it isn't "free" - somebody is paying somewhere .....

If I were Scottish I could understand the desire for independance, but then I would consider the benefits that they (and those in Wales) have over England :

- Free University education

-Free prescriptions

-Free school milk / dinners

- Proportion of population either in receipt of benefits and/or employed by the public sector

 

To add to the above, Scottish and Welsh MP's already have their own assemblies - their MP's can vote on "English issues" but English MP's cannot vote on Scottish or Welsh issues.

Also, how would you divvy up the cost of the NHS, Armed Forces etc. etc. ?

 

 

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By Norman Younger
24th Apr 2013 09:23

Discrimination

One of the joys of EU membership and its byzantine rules

 

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By Roger.Thornton
24th Apr 2013 11:17

I think that Scotland should either have complete independence with its own currency, border controls, etcetera, or, become a full part of the UK ruled entirely from Westminster. The current half way house is unsustainable.  Why should one part of Britain have different rules and different benefits to another. Elderly people going into care in England have to sell their homes to pay for it, in Scotland they don't. Either we are one country, or two independent countries.

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By User deleted
24th Apr 2013 13:29

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing

Roger.Thornton wrote:

Why should one part of Britain have different rules and different benefits to another.

So you're suggesting that all local authorities be dispensed with?

Roger.Thornton wrote:

Elderly people going into care in England have to sell their homes to pay for it, in Scotland they don't.

Simply not true

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Norman Younger
By Norman Younger
24th Apr 2013 11:29

Independence

Cast your mind back to the Act of Union . Are there any records in Hansard of the discussions and negotiations over the above sort of issues ?  All we have to do is unpick them all and the position will revert as it was. Simples ?

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By mn2taxhbj
24th Apr 2013 11:48

Federalisation

Roger

The one country argument is an [***] - its just a case of different priorities in life!  If you dont like the differing rules then vote accordingly!

Scotland has always had a separate legal system and education system (in my view in both cases for the better!).

I have always been of the view that a monolith England is not the ideal solution either - a better solution would be to federalise England, thus diluting the power of the South East and giving England a better, perhaps more equal society.

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By User deleted
24th Apr 2013 12:01

Surely it should be a two way process ....

Totally accept that Scotland can vote and be masters of their own destiny

The question is - why is the population of England not afforded a similar vote on whether Scotland 'should' remain part of the union?

Why is it that these things always seem to be one sided? Surely choice cuts both ways

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By Roger.Thornton
24th Apr 2013 12:07

Just a thought

If Scotland is getting a vote opn whether it wants too stay in the union - why isan't Enland getting a vote on whether we want them to stay ?           EDIT - posted at same time as JC - great minds thinking alike ?

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Norman Younger
By Norman Younger
24th Apr 2013 12:47

Union

So on that basis who gets to vote first - Scotland or England ? I doubt that if England voted against the Scots would take it sitting down , BUT (and large one at that) if Scotland voted to secede and then England voted against , it would make 1977 at Wembley , England v Scotland , look l ike a picnic !

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By Bagel
24th Apr 2013 12:56

North Sea oil

Just wondering - is there anything preventing the Shetland Isles declaring independence too, and taking their North Sea oil with them..?

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By User deleted
24th Apr 2013 13:05

Personally ...

... if Scotland want independence we should chuck in NI, Wales and anywhere north of the 53rd north parallel (although I could be persuaded with the 52nd!)

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By John Stokdyk
24th Apr 2013 13:49

Disagree with the original analysis

I'm afraid I disagree with the Flying Scotsman here.

While I share some unease about the spread of the euro (in its current state) and the EU, I think Osborne has played a really stupid hand. By appearing to deny an independent Scotland the right to continue using the pound, he's reinforced all the stereotypes of the English as imperial masters.

I'm sure the implied threat will drive thousands into the independence camp.

If we're being Machiavellian here, could he be doing it on purpose? Would an independence vote, followed by the decline envisaged and then application for reunion somehow play into long-term Tory plans?

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By Roger.Thornton
24th Apr 2013 13:56

Voting advantage

John Stokdyk wrote:

If we're being Machiavellian here, could he be doing it on purpose? Would an independence vote, followed by the decline envisaged and then application for reunion somehow play into long-term Tory plans?

 

Almost every Labour government has been “imposed” on Britain by the Scottish voters. Without Scotlands vote it is unlikely that Labour would ever form another government south of the border.

The likes of Gordon Brown would never have been PM either.

Sound’s to me like a good reason to “encourage” Scotland to vote for independence .

 

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By Norman Younger
24th Apr 2013 16:09

Scot votes

Does this not prove that the motives of HM Government are pure and as white as snow ?

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By Norman Younger
24th Apr 2013 16:08

Mr Osborne's tactics

John , however scheming a politician is , there are so many unknown unknowns that it would be disingenious to take such a route. I can see your point aboit imperialism but given the entrenched anti-English sentiments it is probably unlikely to inflict much damage on the "no" campaign but highly likely to undermine Alex Salmond's agenda. Remember , when it comes to economic stewardship socialist have little if any credibility , and this vote i goingt o swing on one thing and that is , will the man in Sauchiehall Street be better off or not with self determination

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