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When and how to seek outside help?

12th Jun 2013
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At the moment my work load is heavy. The two VAT enquires are time consuming. It requires going over  previous accountant's work. 

I also have a PAYE enquiry, that I have not even started looking at. In addition, I have some statutory accounts to file and  VAT returns to complete. 

As regards to marketing, what marketing? 

I just want to handover the all HMRC enquiry work to someone else. I am finding it time consuming. 

I have not even got round to seeking my experienced staff yet.

June was supposed to be a catch up month. We are now nearly in mid month! I am no way near catching up. 

Whilst waiting for my haircut at the barbers a few days back, I read such an inspirational article about a day in a life of a highly successful entrepreneur. He gets up at 5am then goes gym. After this he is in the office by 8am. Wow! I thought to myself. Me get up at 5am? I will give it a thought ! Hasn't happened so far. 

I am thinking is it about time I should seek outside help for HMRC enquiry work? I  have no idea how I go about doing this? What would the costs be? How do I make sure the person is of the right calibre? 

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By petersaxton
12th Jun 2013 17:43

What about Martyn Arthur?

http://www.martynarthur.com/

I get up at 5 am quite often. I don't go to the gym else I'd want to go back to bed right after.

I'd recommend you get up early and work late until you catch up. If you feel tired then go to sleep. What I think you should try to do is cut out messing around that you don't need to do as much as possible - we all do it but try to be disciplined.

 

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By User deleted
12th Jun 2013 17:56

Stop skiving off

Instead off getting to the office late (before even allowing for punctures - there was no way you were going to be at the office at any sort of reasonable time that day regardless) or skiving off to have long lunches with your mother and then doing nothing, why not make an early start, get your head down and get on with it? Say to your mum 'sorry but I've loads on and can't do lunch today (because it is a work day after all) but how about at the weekend instead?'

Sorry if I'm too blunt for your liking but if you've a pile of work to do then you get up earlier and get on with it and carry on till you're done. And there's no point in doing marketing if you can't get your existing work done. 8am is not early. And you don't go to the gym so you could get up at 6am and be in work easily (surely) for 8am. 

How about you make a to-do list tonight of the urgent stuff, then tomorrow you set your alarm clock, get to work early and work through it till you're finished without stopping for lunches, AWeb and other unimportant interruptions. It's not rocket science and I'm not claiming to be inspirational. But I do know how to get my finger out and get stuff done when it needs it.

(Rolls eyes and goes back to being productive.)

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By Kent accountant
12th Jun 2013 18:36

Don't know about 5am everyday
Three days a week I get up at 5.15, run 6 miles, take eldest to school and then start work around 8.30/9.

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By petersaxton
12th Jun 2013 18:59

You missed a bit

Kent accountant wrote:
Three days a week I get up at 5.15, run 6 miles, take eldest to school and then start work around 8.30/9.

What about the "half an hour before I went to bed" bit?

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By Kent accountant
13th Jun 2013 12:11

Oooops!

petersaxton wrote:

Kent accountant wrote:
Three days a week I get up at 5.15, run 6 miles, take eldest to school and then start work around 8.30/9.

What about the "half an hour before I went to bed" bit?

Sorry Peter, missed that one :)

I don't tend to need a load of sleep - 6 hours is plenty :)

It's the structure that I think's important, get into a routine that works and fit everything else around that.

After all if we work for ourselves we should decide when we work.

I know I've covered it before but 9am - 4.30ish for me followed by 8.30-11ish. Then sometimes 3-4 hours at the weekend (Sat morning and Sun evening).

I don't watch much TV so would far rather do something of value than let my brain turn to mush - plus if there's work to be done...

@Peter - like your idea of getting work as soon as it comes in. I'd like to try and get to that stage too.

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By User deleted
12th Jun 2013 18:39

@ George

I don't believe in beating around the bush! I do occasionally try for polite but if I think someone is being a prize turnip then pretending that they're actually an award-winning marrow isn't going to do them any favours :) 

@ FT - Why not get the intern to help out? 

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By The Doctor
12th Jun 2013 20:10

What are you charging?
You often mention you're not doing very well financially - I always think enquiries are a great way to make money - have your clients got insurance, if so make sure you charge for every hour - you shoul be charging £100 per hour minimum - you should see this as a great opportunity!

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By FirstTab
12th Jun 2013 22:17

Thank you

Some great help offered here. Thank you so much.

Generally before I get on my bike, I just like to put down what is bugging me. The process of blogging and the helpful pointers in particular are such a help. In the main people are trying to be so helpful. You are such a helpful bunch!

I take the point I moan a lot, that is just the way I am. I take on board the point made about being more disciplined.

I am impressed with early risers. I am setting my alarm to 5am tomorrow.

 

 

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By North Bay
12th Jun 2013 23:56

Why early ?

An interesting blog and answers.

Just one question.  What’s so impressive about early risers?

I openly admit I rarely start before 10am, and rarely do anything meaningful before midday, but, as the timing of this comment shows, I’m usually at my desk until midnight and beyond.

Indeed I find I’m at my most productive after 8pm when there are no interruptions by telephone calls and clients.

I suppose it’s the difference between “larks” and “owls”.  

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By petersaxton
13th Jun 2013 03:25

Timing

Yes, it's a question of understanding what's best for you.

When I was an employee I would have great difficulty in getting up early. Since I've been self employed and worked from home I have found it easy to get up early. That has also combined with going to bed earlier. In fact what I do is go to bed whenever I feel tired - so if I have got up at 5 am I may have a nap in the afternoon and go to bed at 9 pm. I find that I might have two sleeps a day of anything up to 4 hours each time. If I'm tired I don't try to stay awake and if I am in bed but not sleepy I get up.

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By User deleted
13th Jun 2013 07:01

Early risers

I'll admit I'm an early riser - will be starting work once I've grabbed a quick brekkie - but working late works just as well depending on your personality. FT has never sounded like someone who works late hence the suggestion of an early start. Either way you need some serious time at a point where you won't get distractions. I feel better if I can get plenty done early on as it then sets me up for the day and I'll continue being productive. But when I need to I'll put in a late night too. The important bit is actually getting on and doing the work - no point starting early or staying late if you're just going to make excuses or look for someone else to do your work for you. You have to actually get on.

 

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By petersaxton
13th Jun 2013 08:16

You call that early?

I'd done six hours work before you appeared!

FT doesn't sound like an early riser or a late worker but there's still time to change.

I remember when FT raised this issue in another post. He was complaining about too much work to do and I advised him to spend more time working. Some people piled in to advise him to take a holiday or time off! Utter madness!

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By FirstTab
13th Jun 2013 08:43

Too much work
My blogs are a reflection of the day. How I am feeling at the time.

When I get up the next day, normally well after 5am. I have a different perspective, the work load is still the same. But I think to myself, it is not too bad. What was I going on about?

As regards to whether I work hard compared to many here, who knows. It really does not matter to me.

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By petersaxton
13th Jun 2013 09:02

You've hit it on the head!

Lack of consistency.

You would be better off analysing the situation and dealing with it and sticking to the plan. Changing your mind all the time can't be good.

It might not matter to you but if you don't work as hard as other people on here you are unlikely to make as much money as them unless you have something to compensate for it - eg. great marketing or delegation skills.

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By petersaxton
13th Jun 2013 09:18

Worst work

So you do your worst work when you are awake?

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By petersaxton
13th Jun 2013 09:54

Sorry

Less best then!

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By FirstTab
13th Jun 2013 10:28

You help

George I just love the way you think! I hope we work together at some stage. 

Once again thank you for the response. Blogging believe it or not helps me. The process of writing and the vast majority of response is so helpful  .

This blog is a good example of this:

Peter gave a link plus some helpful comments

George's response - I thought how refreshing to read someone who thinks differently. Plus I know who to contact when I need help

The Doctor - reminded me I need to chase my fee protection

KA - Was good to read how he works.

North Bay - It was good to get feedback

Flash - I was surprised that he/she reads my blogs. 

So please do not stop reading my blogs and commenting. I am fairly certain it helps others as well. 

Please allow me to moan. That is just the way I am. This will not change. 

 

 

  

 

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By petersaxton
13th Jun 2013 10:44

Try this

http://www.accountancyageinsight.com/abstract/coping-vat-inspection-16563?EDID=ZGT8KQ0-B5ODK-YGOOPS-SGS0H-AEYVS-v1

I'm glad Flash reads your blog. He provides a good mixture of humour and common sense.

By all means moan.

I've set myself a target to do work as soon as it comes in. I'm sure it's possible as soon as I get up to date but will I ever get up to date? If I could get to that stage my practice management time would be much reduced.

 

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By User deleted
13th Jun 2013 11:24

@ Peter

Yet I never get a thank you from FT :(   Luckily my life is fulfilled without it (steering my rocket cycle at mad ducks for instance) and having achieved my first goal for today I've earned a piece of cake :)

Edit - I read most of the blogs on AWeb. I also read the Daily Mail (online) so I wouldn't take my reading or not as being a positive sign! I have been asked not to read FT's blog (presumably because I don't provide the right answers) but then I've always been awkward :) 

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By North Bay
13th Jun 2013 11:21

Striking a balance

I’ve just decided to start my work.

Woke at 9, watched the news while I ate a leisurely breakfast,  Took the dogs for a steady walk, and now I’m just abut awake enough to trust myself not to make too many mistakes, but I wont tackle anything  too testing for the first couple of hours.

I’m definitely an “owl” which is why I prefer working for myself. The idea of getting up at some ungodly hour and battling through the rush hour to get to an office by 9am fills me with horror.

The point is that I know my limitations, I know that getting up early would be pointless and would never last, so I have structured my life around what suits me and what gives me the work/life balance that I want.

Perhaps the OP needs to look at things from a different perspective. Work out what he wants in his private life first, then see how he can change his business to allow him to have the private life he wants.

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By ShirleyM
13th Jun 2013 12:57

I'll thank you, Flash, on behalf of those who appreciate you :)

AWeb wouldn't be the same without you to cheer us up and divert us from the doom & gloom we often hear on here.

I am lucky to have a very good employee who manages the practice and takes on as much of the load as possible, and most weeks I just put in 3 days at the office. I did get behind a while ago (due to family problems) but have caught up now and most jobs get cleared within the week.

It's true what Peter says ... get the work done and finished as soon as possible. It removes a lot of the stress and just makes the whole thing more enjoyable.

By the by, we have seen a real jump in new clients. We have signed up 3 this week, and the week isn't over yet. It's been like that for the last couple of months. Is everyone else seeing the same, or in 'Flash' speak .... is it my magnetic personality that brings them in? (Don't answer that ... my feelings may get hurt!)   ;)

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By petersaxton
13th Jun 2013 13:09

self employed

I'm getting a couple of new self employed clients each week but new limited companies have dropped off.

I'll start worrying once I have free time!

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By Kent accountant
13th Jun 2013 13:26

New clients

@ShirleyM - it's your magnetic personality:)

Nice and steady for me at the moment - 2 more subby tax returns to do today, referrals from others. Quite like these - straight forward 2/3 hours work tops from start to finish.

 

 

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By WhichTyler
13th Jun 2013 13:38

This seems timely...

http://zenhabits.net/the-worry/

Also read his tips on starting early (in short, don't try to do it in one go, you will crash & burn. Try getting up 15 mins earlier for a week, then another 15 mins the next week and so on). It's not the 5 o'clock-ness that is helping your idol, it is the every-single day-ness.

Back to work...

 

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By User deleted
13th Jun 2013 13:57

@ ShirleyM

You're getting clients because you're a prize-winning marrow :) 

(If you'd rather be a prize-winning bunch of carrots or a nice cabbage I'll happily change your category but you'd get to keep the pretty rosette regardless - 'Best in Show')

Not so good in my neck of the woods (must be the carrot-fly again) as I've had the odd one or two new ones but no rush. But equally that's working for me as I've loads of other stuff to do in life right now so lots of work would be inconvenient! Next year I'll have a big push again when I've cleared the decks of what I'm doing now. Work is so over-rated :)

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By petersaxton
13th Jun 2013 14:10

Job swap

Maybe FT and Flash should do a job swap at some stage?

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By Glenn Martin
13th Jun 2013 14:29

40 Hours per week is key Regardless of when you choose to work.

After a spell in the leisure industry my body clock was severley adjusted to late starts and late nights and so have never been that early a starter.

I only recently found out there were two 6 O'Clocks in the same day.

For me the most important thing is working 40 productive hours per week regardless of when you choose to work them.

This seems to be FirstTabs problem. I probably do some of my best work 7 till 10 in the evening which may not suit some but it does me. But I still make sure I do my 40 hours.

I remember reading an artcile  Graham Wylie (sage founder) wrote aboutstarting Sage. I was expecting to hear of the 100's of hours a week they worked until they got it right. However that was far from the truth as could be. He claims he never felt he worked that hard and only ever worked 40 hours per week. But he did so every week.

Working smart not hard is the key.

@ Shirley I am picking up work ahead of expectations. Now just wondering why I put up with old job for so long.

 

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By User deleted
13th Jun 2013 14:32

Hell no!

I couldn't face getting everything up to date in his practice, knowing that it would go back to how it was within a short time of me leaving. Or the effect he'd have on my practice. Although as my clients don't have phone contact at least he'd not be able to hang up on them :)

Now if Shirley fancied a swap I'd give it some serious thought! Just think, the joy of coming back to even more clients (all well-trained), the work already done for me, my systems still intact (maybe even improved)..... Heaven. So how about next month Shirley? Just a couple of days would do it :)

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By ShirleyM
13th Jun 2013 15:07

@Flash

I may consider a swap. I love putting systems in place & getting everything organised, and am constantly changing our procedures (but my employee says she likes the variety and she doesn't complain!).

Both me and my employee would love to work with you because you are so entertaining, but I suspect zero work would actually get done as we would be too busy laughing ;)

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By petersaxton
13th Jun 2013 15:36

The Laughing Accountant

It might be a good brand.

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By ShirleyM
13th Jun 2013 15:45

@George

We have more in common than you realise. I used to be a software systems designer/developer and created my first relational database around 1980.

You are also an AWebber that I would love to meet .... to see if you are the same in real life as you are on AWeb   :)

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By ShirleyM
13th Jun 2013 16:56

@George

You are zany, crazy and utterly likeable :)

Isn't the opposite of a variable .... a literal? My 'bete noire' was hard coding, I hate it, so my little VBA efforts are all based on data tables so they are as flexible as possible. As I left IT (very) many years ago, I never did get to grips with SQL. I manage with Access databases these days, and even gave up Visual Basic. I used to love messing with assembler & machine code but I don't have the need (or the desire) these days.

I struggle at times with modern systems, as I am well out of date now, but I still do a little programming for fun.

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By User deleted
13th Jun 2013 18:08

Quantum computers ...

@George Gretton - capable of being in more than one state simultaneously (qubit multiple states)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer

Also non-relational models being used for v.large volumes where relational becomes a hinderence (speed) rather than a benefit

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By User deleted
14th Jun 2013 09:11

Quantun & non-relational …

@George Gretton

You raise some interesting issues, although a great deal is related to what we know today (historic) rather that the future and what we don’t know. In this respect the past is beneficial for shedding light on the future, but questionably so if it is solely for solving historic conundrums for the sake of solving them, rather than as a stepping stone to the future. In this respect is your Chinese contact is probably basing his assessment on what he currently knows

One is reminded of Donald Rumsfeld

There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don’t know.

Today a great deal of multitasking is all about the speed at which ‘switching & time-slicing’ can be accomplished, thereby giving the perception of concurrency

As you quite rightly say, in our everyday life we find true multitasking very difficult to achieve (on the mobile, miss the bus etc.) . However, does this only relate to cognitive multitasking and what about sub-conscious multitasking or is that simply regarded as a motor response. For instance here is a simple example – stand on one leg and raise the other one at the same time as raising both arms – 3 events are occurring simultaneously (or are they?) and if they are concurrent then why is that not regarded ‘true’ multitasking?

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Of course ‘..Performance issues will never undo Relational Thinking ..’ in today’s mind-set, however the trade-off comes where efficiency & speed of delivery outweighs the relational model. In the same way as I could walk from London to Rome (thinking) but a better way to get there in a timely manner is to fly (performance)

Nevertheless, with the relational model, we are once again back to principles conceived in the late 1960’s / early 70’s to replace the likes of VSAM (IBM360/370)

All that I am saying is that this is now 50 years old and with the speed of computer progress in other areas that is almost the dark ages. One therefore questions why there has been so few new ideas in this area and some non-relational approaches have only come about by drivers such as social media sites which need to access huge volumes of data very quickly – in short the relational model is too slow for these requirements

Finally, I believe it is about time that we came up with the next generation of data storage / retrieval for the future. Of course, even if it arrives it will take an age for it to be recognised and gain universal traction

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By Rachael White
14th Jun 2013 09:42

Hello,

I'm aware that this thread is veering slightly off topic from FT's original post, could we please stick with community rules and keep posts related to the blog?

As always, you're very welcome to open your own thread on your chosen topic and discuss it further elsewhere on the site. :) 

Thank you,

Rachael

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By User deleted
14th Jun 2013 10:08

Oops .... told off !

@George Gretton - it looks as though we have been told off by Rachael so I think this debate will have to be moved elsewhere on Aweb if we want to continue

Am off on holiday for couple of weeks tomorrow so responses may be rather random

 

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By User deleted
14th Jun 2013 12:53

Surely ...

... ignoring all the unfathomable geek speak, in laymans terms the thread was converging to a point where FirstTab could input all his variable data in to a programme (for want of a better word) that would give him the answer he is seeking?

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By User deleted
14th Jun 2013 20:43

For the tired eyed amongst us

It is a Norwegian alpha male canis lupus arctos on sentry duty, I did get permission from the photographer to use as an icon on social media, just wish I'd taken it myself.

I can live with "application", just, but "App" makes me cringe.

As I said to an acquaintance recently we have spent hundreds of years evolving a rich and beautiful language with cultured grammar and spelling, and within a couple of decades we have come to a pass where communication involves jabbing fingers at pictures and neaderthal grunts - I was happy with a mere 26 letters, ten digits and a handful of punctuation marks - now I have a plethora of hieroglyphs to decipher and remember and words with numbers but no vowels, full circle indeed. 

That said, to me application is what you do with the information the programme gives you, not the programme itself - but what do I know!

I feel safe from litigation, my comments was on the language, I identified no-one, but if the cap fits ...

Now, techno babble, that's another good word!

But, as the late great Cupid Stunt would say, it is all done in the best possible taste :o)

 

 

 

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By User deleted
25th Jun 2013 12:14

Reason being ....

George Gretton wrote:

I'm not surprised that, as per your profile, you do not suffer fools gladly.

Yours, George, Saturday 15th June 2013, 16:00 BST complete with mayhem downpour a few minutes ago; missing another talker with animals, Sir Henry Cecil.

... I don't like the competition :o)

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By petersaxton
15th Jun 2013 17:13

Rachael will be prowling soon

" I remember early in my "Training Contract" at Spicer and Pegler a manager observing that of me, even then. A fellow-student there also observed of me "George Gretton bears grudges and settles scores" in 'is best 'ull accent. We are very good mates to this day. I inherited this stuff from my dad, who was also a lovely man."

We are all lovely from 'ull! If you were implying that the 'ull guy was lovely as well as your dad and/or you.

 

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By User deleted
25th Jun 2013 13:55

I'm west of ...

... the Brentford Triangle, to the south of the great will they/won't they - would they/should they debate which makes Cricklewood some 13 miles for corvus corone, but nearly a full rotation of the more lengthy hand of a clock for myself.

Strange it should be called the minute hand, when it if often twice the length of the other.

Talking of which, we discovered we had several lissotriton vulgaris in our garden when lifting some old flag stones, we sort of adopted them and  I decided to call mine Tiny ...  

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By petersaxton
25th Jun 2013 14:09

Ken Livingstone

I presume

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By User deleted
26th Jun 2013 18:19

@ George ...

... Hammersmith would I think be central for us and Peter.

As to theological matters, I am of the diluted brand that digs with the right foot and leaves the bead juggling to the sinister excavators. My school was of the church but not, as we come full circle, run by crows.

My education was mere secondary modern, albeit again of the ilk of the Octagonal Tudor scion. My love of words is a result of, having been reading, writing and numerate pre-school, spending English lesson working through exercises of grammer, punctuation and the like whilst my class mates stumbled over the high jinks of Janet and John. Also, as an anoracick teen obsessed with aircraft and their registrations in the pre PSP/DS days I worked through reams of puzzle and crossword books to while away the journeys when out "spotting", it is amazing how much they improve your general knowledge and vocabulary.

I think my love of words comes ironically from my numeracy, I like patterns and series, and so with words I derive meanings of words that are new to me from words I already know. This is why the modern fashion for changing the spelling irks, as it breaks the chain back to the root. I must admit, you can get fooled though as many greek and roman words are similar is spelling but not meaning and so you may guess wrong!

My preferred readings are Terry Pratchett and Robert Rankin who inspire my view of the world, although prior to that Tom Sharpe made a great impression with Blot and Porterhouse.

My Latin is nil without the help of Google, but my late father had a friend who hailed from the Ardennes (how he suffered Brussels after that glorious vista!) and said friend insisted on taking everything back to Latin to avoid confusion; and that seemed a sensible method to pre-teen me. 

I do find the factual rather dull at times, the realms of fantasy much more liberating - as long as one remembers which is which. Why worry over what is or was, they cannot be changed,  may or could be is a much more interesting map as yet to be drawn.

I fear we may be well off the OP now though, my late mother used to say, if you keep on you'll drive me to St. Bernards - sometimes I believe I would be there already if it hadn't be shut in favour of (don't) care in the community!

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By User deleted
27th Jun 2013 17:50

An apt picture ...

... wot I took today

I was raised in the days when the mother stayed at home and spent time on and with her children, that is all!

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By User deleted
27th Jun 2013 20:34

@ George

... not my lawn, the Queens - Richmond Park on the way back from Kingston today.

II you click the image icon, then browse server, then top right click upload - you can then pick a picture from your hard drive by clicking browse, double click or click then open, then click upload. This puts it on the AWeb server, double click it, click OK and it's done. (sounds more difficult that it actually is when written out like that)

I would recommend re-sizing to 500 x 500 or thereabouts maximum or it will go over the edges, and we were always told off for that when colouring in at school!

My father was an MSc (CEng) (aeronautical), never quite did the PhD, work and offspring got in the way! Mother could have gone high in the civil service but took the hands on approach to motherhood - your guesses were close to the mark, but they were the first from humble origins, their fathers were upholsterer and lorry driver respectively, and prior to that from agricultural roots, from whence I surmise comes my love of things bucolic. That said, my great aunt and her husband had a farm in Herefordshire and she had a degree in agriculture, which was most unusual in the between war years! 

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By User deleted
27th Jun 2013 20:33

@ George ...

... I added a bit to previous post.

I get the Latin too  nothing to do with me, honest guv! - I like the "from the pregnant, pregnant, but, whisper it, ugly." bit best!

Like you I prefer to ask someone - I shout often at the disembodied voice on the HMRC helpline that tells me there is help available online. My rantings are along the lines - yes I know you cretinous buffoon, do you really think I would waste a further precious one of my dwindling stock of hours waiting to talk to an incompetence imbecile employed by HMRC (as no one else would have them) if I had not, as a modestly intelligent person, tried every conceivable option to avoid said encounter, but having wasted many irretrievable moments going round and round and round an unbroken circle of links I succumbed to this measure of last resort!

 

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By User deleted
27th Jun 2013 20:54

Size ...

... isn't everything but in this case it's perfect - a "proper" garden to my mind.

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