Cameron fires EU referendum starting gun
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cannot abide even countenance anything that disagrees with their position, its very sad.
I am sure you will agree:
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Cannot abide, even countenance, anything that disagrees with their position; it's very sad.
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Balance
I can't see Ukraine or Turkey being allowed into the EU any time soon. Remember every EU member state has a veto, including the UK.
With Ukraine it's just complicated until the situation in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine is resolved and I'm not sure many EU nations would allow them in on the current basis. With Turkey, I can't see Greece, Cyprus or several Eastern European EU nations accepting Turkey in. So Turkey and Ukraine is a non-issue for me.
On the other side, I can't see how the Treasury can seriously claim we will be worse off by £4,300 by 2030, when they have difficulty forecasting even a year ahead. I expect something similar was predicted if the UK failed to join the euro.
Not too many arguments have made me reconsider my default position of leave.
@carnmores
There is a reason that we disagree. We are constantly told a pack of lies about the economy being worse off. The truth is that nobody knows. The £4300 was based on a 6% downturn in our economy. That could happen in or out of the EU. It might even be an upturn.
When the government gave the country a referendum they cease to have a say as a government. Yet we are pounded with lies every day by the government. Eventually they will lose credibility. Does anyone trust GO?
Why is it sad, Carnmores, that there are people willing to stand up to propaganda.
Dramatic line move!
Voting to remain is now only a 63% shot, whilst a Leicester title win at 66% has a very similar probability after Spurs winning last night.
On the Ukraine and Turkey in my view for once the EU is playing a canny game. If you agree with me that Putin is a much more significant threat than IS, it makes sense to make overtures to these countries, both of which Russia has aspired to conquer for over 300 years and one of which it did conquer.
Unless the goalposts are moved massively there is no realistic chance of them joining on equal terms in the next 10 years. Leaving aside political and economic issues, it took Bulgaria 5 years to deal with its nuclear legacy. I know this because I was part of the team which sorted out Kozloduy for them.
The Bulgarian nuclear issues are easy peasy compared to the Ukraine. It is nuts and really weak for us to back down in the Ukraine as it will be the Baltic States next. The West should asume Putin's ambitions are at least as grandiose as Hitler's until proven otherwise.
johnjenkins , sorry no ampersand am using an apple today
i am getting a wee bit worried about LCFC after Spurs performance last night and JVs probable additional suspension however
does anyone trust GO , NO unless you mean remain
Why is it sad, Carnmores, that there are people willing to stand up to propaganda? Youve hit the nail on the head the sprOUTers believe that every argument advanced by STAY is propaganda, that is preposterous and people are beginning to realise that.
Michael Gove whom I admire was given 3 minutes on Today R4 this morning , it took Dominic Grieve to whom I am indifferent less than a minute to point out where he was incorrect
@carnmores
Every argument advanced by the STAY IS propaganda.
We are safer in the EU - yer right.
Our economy will downturn by 6% if we come out - really crystal ball stuff. Nobody knows.
The EU will be reformed - uniformed more like.
Uncertainty - about the economy yes. About immigration and taking back control no.
Tell me Carnmores, what statement(s) have the stayers said that in your opinion is not a lie or propaganda, or are you one of those that are just having a pop at the leavers cos they've got balls.
Spurs tend to "lose it" right at the last hurdle. Could be the last game of the season that decides the title. However at least they both have champions league football next season. It will be interesting to see how they fare against the big boys.
Dumb beyond belief
I have been really disappointed with the Brexit campaign. As per previous posts Project Grievance is a doomed strategy with a proud tradition of crashing and burning at the ballot box.
Now they decide to get into a dick-measuring contest with the most popular US president there has been since Reagan, at least overseas if not in his own country. Good luck with that one, Boris and Nigel!
Boris
I am disappointed with Boris' knowledge of US history and his disparaging comments about Obama, he has surely blown his chances of succeeding DC as has Osborne. Back to the history the American war of independence was followed by the civil war which resulted in the Union, the United States of America, considering he was born in New York one can only gaze in wonder.
Close to Goodnight Vienna
There has been such a huge move in the markets I am posting this early. It is now a 73% shot that we vote to Remain. Typically once a line reaches 80% then only something appalling where lots of people die can swing the election result, so this is close to Game Over.
Clearly "Project Trash Obama" was a really stupid and crass one to run. I find it amazing that these guys get to the top of UK politics without realising that 4 solid months of moaning, whingeing and spitting the dummies out will not get the job done.
Very poor show. There is no longer any more room for these failed strategies, Brexit needs to wake up and smell the coffee pronto.
Ah President
surface but no substance (hardly his fault some would say). Telling us we gotta wait in line for a trade deal (10 years) and we the biggest importers from the US in the EU. Juncker telling us that the EU have meddled too much in our personal lives (the truth will always out). So what is he going to do to remedy - ah yes - not interfere so much (notice not interfere altogether).
I'm now not bothered if we stay or come out. If we stay in we can always say that if something drastic happens, like Turkey or Ukraine overrunning us with migrants, then we can have another referendum.
One thing is sure and I agree with MM, that Brexit really have to get their act together. This should be Nigel's finest hours. What are you waiting for Nigel, you've got all the tools, go for it.
Brexit are like the SNP
The SNP was formed in 1934 with just one purpose. Then when they got their chance their chosen currency was the GBP! WTF!! 80 years and that was the best they could do.
Brexit has had 30 years to think this thing through. By now I was expecting a clear plan as to how we were going to negotiate with the EU and USA, not to mention other key players like India and China.
What we get on this key issue is nada. Trashing the US President when he vists our country. Bleating. Moaning. Whingeing. Nothing inspirational, really really disappointing.
@MM
The only person who seems to be bleating. moaning etc. is you. However I do agree with your analogy.
Could it be
That Sir BB, MM and Carnmores is the "triple" disaster that the UK will be hit with if we leave the EU?
Still, at least the Unions money will now be left alone.
Latest odds are 70% 30%.
Remain are firmly in the box seat, similar to Leicester 5 weeks ago. Spurs a.k.a. Brexit have it all to do, not much room for muck-ups.
It is now no longer possible to edit posts on here. I wonder if I vote to leave the EU can we go back to the old site design? That might swing my vote.
You can edit your posts by finding them in your profile - a stupid and inefficient process, like many of the changes to the new site.
If you find my comment helpful, please don't feel obliged to thank me, as it just generates pointless "you have been thanked" e-mails.
I hope the time comes soon when I get used to the changes. It seems far away at the moment.
Now 68% shot, so Brexit back from the brink and still alive and kicking. I am on the brink too - of leaving this site I am afraid.