Sturgeon shows her failure to lead

Norman Younger
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Leaders who put their own ego before the national interest are by far the worst type of heads of state . Nicola Sturgeon is one very dangerous woman in my ex-pat Scottish opinion. I am very glad that my postcode is no longer starts with G4... and has been replaced with M2...

All the data (not the use of the word  "data" not the word "expert" ) points to fiscal problems and the outlook for the price of oil is uncertain at best and weak at worst , so why does this woman persist. A majority voted 55 to 45 to stay in the Union and that is a very wide margin . With Brexit it was much narrower but everybody agrees that a majority is a majority and it is time to roll up our sleeves and make it work.

So why does Nicola Sturgeon keep repeating her mantra like a parrot about the promise of staying within the EU as a "No" vote prize ?  It was never a guarantee - after all we knew there would be an EU referendum and still the people voted to remain within the UK . The argument is spurious but the worst part is  she has become a more and more divisive figure , when the role of a leader is to unite.

I only hope she gets her just desserts and the world can see once again that dragging a nation to a place they should not be is not just poor leadership , it is bad - very bad.  Perhaps the woman needs to learn some of that new fangled relationship stuff they teach kids nowadays - you know , the bits about considering the feelings of others. All the more so when the feelings are a matter of public record.

The again, perhaps it is a simply ploy to deflect the Scottish gloom at their sports performances of late , with the exception of a certain Mr A Murray , and she really does have the national interest at heart.

 

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By Glennzy
13th Mar 2017 16:25

Is it correct that she also wants the rugby from the weekend replaying as she is unhappy with that result also.

I am really becoming tired of this constant push for a second vote, if she wants off then she can go for me.

Scotland on its own would have as much clout with the EU as someone like Bulgaria, would be absolute madness to pursue.

The best advice I could give her, if she wants to regain some popularity is to return to performing with the Krankies.

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to Glennzy
13th Mar 2017 20:13

The Krankies ! Not seen them for years. I knew she reminded me of somebody. Part of a Glasgow childhood

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By Tornado
13th Mar 2017 17:12

I have always been impressed by Ms Sturgeon's sleight of hand that enabled the answer to one question to be construed as the answer to another.

Whichever way you look at it, the referendum question was

"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

NOT

"Should Scotland remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Technically Scotland did NOT vote to remain in the European Union as that was not the question asked.

If the Scottish people wish to have a second referendum with more Scottish orientated wording then I think they should go ahead, but I have a feeling that it would be the end for Ms Sturgeon.

As a reminder, UK population is approx -

England : 55.0 millions
Scotland : 5.4 millions
Wales : 3.0 millions
Northern Ireland : 1.8 millions

Whilst Scotland has a larger population that Eire, it is still a small country and whilst we all like the idea of independence, I think the people of Scotland would prefer to stick with the rest of the UK than the EU when it comes to the crunch.

That is just my opinion, of course.

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13th Mar 2017 23:50

G61 and proud

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14th Mar 2017 07:59

Maybe she persists because pro-Independence parties won an election AFTER the September 2014 referendum. She obviously believes in democracy. When did Teresa May win an election? How many Tory MPs are there in Scotland? Come to that, How many Labour MPs are there in Scotland? Which is the 3rd largest party in the UK? Clear mandate for a new referendum IMHO.

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to Newstart
14th Mar 2017 15:22

Newstart wrote:

When did Teresa May win an election?

I'm no fan of the woman, but what purpose does this question serve. This is not America, it is the UK. We do not vote for individuals, we vote for the party.

Like it or not, the Conservatives were triumphant in the last general election, which means that the party has their mandate to rule regardless of who is the party leader,

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to Newstart
16th Mar 2017 15:51

Newstart wrote:
When did Teresa May win an election?

7 May 2015 (Maidenhead) and 7 July 2016 (Tory leadership).

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to Newstart
17th Mar 2017 15:22

'She obviously believes in democracy.'

What a misguided comment. She lost a democratic once in a generation vote and didn't like it. What sort of person then believes that 'she obviously believes in democracy'?

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By Locutus
14th Mar 2017 09:53

The SNP are political opportunists. They continually look for any signs of division with the English and then exploit it.

I understand the desire of any people for self determination if they feel their interests are not served. But I am not exactly sure how Scotland's interests are not met - they are over represented in Parliament, over funded in the form of the Barnett formula and their culture is celebrated rather than oppressed.

It is utterly illogical for the SNP to say they want leave a remote union that doesn't understand them in Westminster in order to be ruled by an even bigger, more remote and (in my opinion) dysfunctional union in Brussels.

I suspect 5 years after we have left the EU and gone through all of the pain of leaving, the polls (both sides of the border) will show a clear majority not wanting to rejoin.

Even if Scotland were to leave the UK and seek to rejoin the EU, due to their likely poor financial position and veto from Spain, it might be a decade before they are let back in.

The EU is really a non-issue for Scotland. They joined as part of the UK and will leave as part of the UK and Scotland won't be back in the EU any time soon.

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to Locutus
14th Mar 2017 10:16

Seizing the opportunity is the nature of politics but I think now the SNP are displaying greed and veering off piste

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14th Mar 2017 10:18

I agree with Locutus. There is no way Spain would ever vote to allow an independent Scotland into the EU, with Spain facing calls from the Catalans for their own independence. No doubt, there are other political factors to be considered with other countries, but the likelihood of an independent Scotland joining the EU in the next 20 years is somewhere in the region of zero.
It has always struck me as ironic that a so-called national party wants to break free from the "shackles" of the UK, yet is prepared to then re-shackle itself to the great EU federal superstate, from which the UK is now seeking to extricate itself.

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to Peter Cane
14th Mar 2017 11:29

It is the Scottish psyche - anything but England.

Kids have a choice in mother's milk - Scotch or antiEnglish , with luckier ones imbibing both

I think it harks back to 1314 and Bannockburn . I remember visiting in Primary 7 . Teacher was on cloud 9

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to Flying Scotsman
14th Mar 2017 13:59

This is pathetic. Have you opinion but you are just insulting . My husband parents are English , my Grandfather is English , my son and Husband are Scottish . I am Irish . You may not want to live in Scotland but that is your choice , but please do not tar a whole country with your complete ignorance .

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to sarah douglas
14th Mar 2017 15:33

Terribly sorry , no offence meant and certainly not to tar the whole nation , but the behviour of some Nationalists make one wonder.
I am Scottish - proud of it and even got saltire on car number plates - and live in England but not for political reasons and yes I miss Scotland very much. Glasgow is a beautiful city with nice friendly inhabitants , but when I was a kid one got the impression that England was the enemy , in fact referred to as "the auld enemy" for sports fixtures.
But as I opened this blog, the issue is perhaps the tone of the leadership giving the people a bad name.
Anyway sorry for upsetting you

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By kdbr
14th Mar 2017 12:31

An article fit for the Daily Mail, and the DM only...

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By ollie
15th Mar 2017 11:22

A direct quote from May's speech to the Scottish Tory conference:

"And yet the SNP propose Scottish independence, which would wrench Scotland out of its biggest market."

Yeah, because nobody in their right mind would want to voluntarily cut themselves off from their biggest market, would they, Theresa ?

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to ollie
15th Mar 2017 12:38

At least we have the USA knocking on our door .
I think Scottish ratio with England is more than us to EU by a big margin.

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15th Mar 2017 11:38

Interesting comments.
However I think we are overlooking what I think is Sturgeon's real agenda regarding a 2nd referendum. The threat of it will be used to extract more devolution from the UK government. She then gets devo-max and will then find reasons to withdraw the referendum plans.

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By Mr_awol
to Red Leader
24th Mar 2017 15:27

Red Leader wrote:

Interesting comments.
However I think we are overlooking what I think is Sturgeon's real agenda regarding a 2nd referendum. The threat of it will be used to extract more devolution from the UK government. She then gets devo-max and will then find reasons to withdraw the referendum plans.

Exactly. I have been against a 2nd referendum - not because I really care that much whether they win or not, but more because I think it is ridiculous that they should be allowed to continually poll until eventually the moderates get so bored of voting that only the hardline (mainly pro independence) scots bother to turn out. If there is a second referendum, I firmly believe it should be paid for from Scottish finances and not via central government.

However, if we must have this vote, then I think it should be done in a 'put up or shut up' manner. There should be NO further devolution offered as a sweetener for staying part of the UK. In fact, in an ideal world, I'd prefer the status quo to be taken off the table entirely. The SNP should be offered the second referendum only if they agree that IF they lose, then Holyrood should be sold off for conversion to luxury apartments and everything comes back under the control of Westminster.

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By mabzden
to Mr_awol
24th Mar 2017 16:01

I think Cameron missed a trick after the second referendum. Salmond had spent the whole campaign saying this is a "once in a generation" vote, so it would have made sense to write into law a clause barring a further referendum for, say, 20 years. We could even have called it "the Salmond clause" just to really [***] him off.

Instead Cameron immediately embarked on the pointless "English votes for English laws" campaign, something that no-one south of the border (except John Redwood) cared about and a policy that gave the ScotNats an immediate shot in the arm. I liked Cameron at one point but I now think he'll go down in history as someone who made some howling errors.

On the costs point, I would like to see an agreement that all costs of the referendum are paid for by the Scottish government along with the massive legal and administrative costs of unpicking all the laws and treaties in the event of a yes vote. And, if the whole thing goes t*ts up after a few years, the Scottish taxpayer should pick up the tab for any reversal that the rest of the UK has thrust upon it.

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By mabzden
15th Mar 2017 11:40

People criticise Trump but, IMHO, no-one is as bad as Sturgeon and the one-trick pony ScotNats.

I can't see businesses investing a single penny over the next few years in a small, economically fragile country that's leaving the EU and now at risk of leaving the UK.

I realise Scotland is a proud nation, but the call for a second (in fact third) referendum seems to me like a deliberate act of economic vandalism.

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15th Mar 2017 13:35

The role of the leader of the SNP is to pursue what they believe to be the best course for Scotland.

If this what she believes that course to be then she is duty-bound to pursue it.

As a politician she is there to be disagreed with but all these petty insults do nothing in terms of a meaningful debate.

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to sosleepy
15th Mar 2017 14:24

Indeed so , BUT is another plebiscite within the cover of "best interest" REALLY necessary and truly in "best interest" at the moment ?
Too many commentators and public opinion seem to think otherwise

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By mabzden
to sosleepy
15th Mar 2017 14:54

sosleepy wrote:

The role of the leader of the SNP is to pursue what they believe to be the best course for Scotland.

There are plenty of things for a politician in Scotland to worry about - a schools system that's dropping like a stone down international league tables, low oil prices and a huge budget deficit, not to mention continuing public health and drug/alcohol problems.

Instead of focusing on those issues, the SNP just blame the English and look for any excuse to reopen the independence debate.

So it would be naive to assume Sturgeon is doing anything other than manipulating events to suit her own personal crusade.

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to mabzden
15th Mar 2017 15:28

mabzden wrote:

sosleepy wrote:

The role of the leader of the SNP is to pursue what they believe to be the best course for Scotland.

So it would be naive to assume Sturgeon is doing anything other than manipulating events to suit her own personal crusade.

It would be naïve to assume that any politician ever does otherwise.

By all means disagree with her opinion. But all the childish insults and stereotyping that come out when this subject gets discussed really annoys the hell out of me. In much the same way as debates in Parliament when the MP's get into mud-slinging rather than debating. Which is most of the time. PMQs is a particularly, excruciatingly embarrassing reflection of how Parliament operates.

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to sosleepy
15th Mar 2017 16:00

I respectfully disagree that anyone is engaging in childish insults or stereotyping.

I disagree with Sturgeon's position and agree that she and her government has failed to focus on the real problems faced by the people of Scotland.

You are, of course, at liberty to disagree and come back with some coherent counter arguments. We'd all love to know the policies the SNP has followed that are unrelated to independence and have moved Scotland forward.

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to the_hoff
15th Mar 2017 16:11

Comments about the Krankies seem at least slightly childish in my opinion.

And the 'all Scots hate the English' probably veers towards stereotyping?

I never said I supported Sturgeon or agreed with her views or policies. As far as I'm concerned it's up to the Scottish people and none of my business.

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to sosleepy
15th Mar 2017 16:25

sosleepy wrote:

Comments about the Krankies seem at least slightly childish in my opinion.

And the 'all Scots hate the English' probably veers towards stereotyping?

OK, maybe you have a point there ;-)

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By Locutus
15th Mar 2017 16:19

I saw a pollster talking on TV today about this subject.

He said that, apparently, a third of the people who voted for Scotland to leave the UK in 2014 also voted for the UK to leave the EU in 2016.

He also said that whilst a clear majority voted to remain within the EU in 2016, support for it was not particularly strong. His polling suggested support for the EU in Scotland was not really strong enough to make large numbers of previously pro-UK supporters change their vote in the future. This is similar to my many EU-remainer friends here in England. Few are real fans of the EU - they mostly just feel that we will be a bit worse off economically than we would otherwise have been after we have left.

If you listen to Sturgeon, though, she is often quite clever in demanding (tariff-free) access to the Single Market. That is not necessarily the same as being a member of the EU. Being a member of the EFTA or the EEA also achieve something similar, without having to give up your fishing waters, adopt the Euro or Schengen.

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to Locutus
15th Mar 2017 17:32

All too often when one side in a bargain starts flexing muscle and veering towards implied threats , it ends up blowing up in their face and possibly ruining everything for everybody.

A wee bit more moderation is needed from Nicola , something attempting stateswomanship (a clumsy word but I think I have to be "PC" on this forum and given the high running emotions I really do not wish to ruin anybody else's day)

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By mabzden
20th Mar 2017 17:32

I saw another couple of bits of information over the weekend that show what a huge risk the SNP is taking with their own economy and country.

The first is the credit rating agency Moodys said Scotland may well have a junk bond rating if it becomes independent.

The second is the CEBR said growth in Scotland is virtually non-existent, and they feel the uncertainty caused by another referendum will probably push it into recession.

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to mabzden
20th Mar 2017 20:17

All fine and well but currently expert views are a tainted commodity. The only one worth paying heed to may be Moody as they have clout in the markets to which Ms Sturgeon may need to turn.

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to mabzden
20th Mar 2017 20:17

All fine and well but currently expert views are a tainted commodity. The only one worth paying heed to may be Moody as they have clout in the markets to which Ms Sturgeon may need to turn.

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21st Mar 2017 11:02

I wonder how damaging the SNP are to Scotland: the uncertainty they create is huge compare to that of exiting the EU. Will independence happen? If so when? Will they be in the EU? Or the single market? What currency will they use? The pound ,the euro or the rouble? Will there be a hard border with England? Will there be tariffs on IRN Bru and shortbread? How will they deal with the structural deficit? Massive austerity or a bung from Russia in exchange for military bases?
Who would invest in Scotland with all this uncertainty as a backdrop? Donald Trump and Nicola Sturgeon has not been supportive of him so perhaps that rules out the dollar as a currency.

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to Knight Rider
21st Mar 2017 14:10

So will tbe West Lothian question be replaced by the Barrs Question ? Serious stuff this tariff business ,never mind the Russian subs moving into Faslane

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By mabzden
to Knight Rider
21st Mar 2017 15:43

I've got to say I'm not a fan of talking about IRN Bru, shortbread, the Krankies etc. It raises, in my mind at least, a silly Scottish stereotype that is disrespectful and doesn't reflect the amazing contribution Scotland makes to the economy and cultural diversity of our country.

I have a huge amount of respect for Scotland and for the Scottish people, and view them as members of the family. So I'd hate to see them leave.

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to mabzden
21st Mar 2017 17:38

I am regularly ribbed about my Scottish background and I roll with the punches, always reminding people about the disproportionate input of Scots to the world, be it government , commerce, science or medicine etc.
In fact I find the steteotyping of the sort you mentioned quite amusing - it's the way it is , and not particularly nasty.
The BBC spoof Scot Force had me well tickled with the steteotyping. Not sure what Scots back home made of it.
The SNP seem to struggle to sort the good steteotype from the bad , the latter consisting of a pugilistic inferiority complex.
It's a shame because the UK is better as a union

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22nd Mar 2017 11:57

No disrespect intended in mentioning IRNBru. Im just saddened to see the SNP trying to turn a wonderful country and the birthplace of Adam Smith into a mini-Venezuela.

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