Do you believe in Santa Claus, or more precisely the spirit of Christmas?

Do you believe in Santa Claus, or more precisely the spirit of Christmas?

Do you give your time freely to those in need, help others, and treat everyone with kindness.  Or are you more like the infamous “accountant” Scrooge, only out for what you can get?

Accountancy as a discipline teaches us to behave more like Scrooge than Father Christmas, so are all accountants doomed to Scrooge's fate, or do you believe that the Christmas spirit is how we should live our lives every day, not just one day a year, and that Dicken’s “Christmas Carol” is, perhaps, the ultimate morality tale?

 

 

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Flash Gordon's picture

Ho ho hum    3 thanks

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I totally disagree that 'accountancy as a discipline teaches us to behave more like Scrooge than Father Christmas' - maybe that says more about you? I always thought it was about helping clients, even if we are telling them they have tax to pay.

It all comes down to the type of person you are, not the training you receive. Most of the people I've come across on here are the sort I'd happily take on Ming the Merciless to protect, but there has been the odd one (if every sense of the word!) that seem to behave with Ming's contempt and arrogance despite claiming to help out all & sundry. They're the ones who Santa won't be visiting this Christmas!

As for me, I don't need presents on Christmas Day, I'll settle for being alive, healthy and having my little furry ones around to cuddle. Though if Miami Dolphins could have a kick-ass win in their game on Christmas Eve I wouldn't complain!

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Consumermas

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Flash Gordon PM | Sun, 11/12/2011 - 15:05 | Permalink

I totally disagree that 'accountancy as a discipline teaches us to behave more like Scrooge than Father Christmas' - maybe that says more about you? I always thought it was about helping clients, even if we are telling them they have tax to pay.

 

 

Helping clients can mean not helping their employees. How many times have you advised a client to get rid of some staff, or reduce their hours.  How often have you had to advise them to restrict pay rises to less than that actually needed by their staff.

Do you ever restrict what clients claim in expenses to less than they could perhaps get away with thereby costing them more tax than they strictly need to pay.

What about your own time?  Do you charge charities for auditing their accounts, or do you do them for free?

Outside of work, if you were walking into a store with £500 in your pocket to buy a new TV and you saw a homeless person sheltering in a shop doorway, would you ignore them and buy the TV, or would you pay for a bed for the night for the homeless person and buy a smaller or cheaper TV ?

I can't help feeling that Christmas should be renamed Consumermas.

 

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Yes. yes and yes    3 thanks

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@ Santa    2 thanks

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Santa Claus wrote:

 

 

 Helping clients can mean not helping their employees. How many times have you advised a client to get rid of some staff, or reduce their hours.  How often have you had to advise them to restrict pay rises to less than that actually needed by their staff.

Do you ever restrict what clients claim in expenses to less than they could perhaps get away with thereby costing them more tax than they strictly need to pay.

What about your own time?  Do you charge charities for auditing their accounts, or do you do them for free?

Outside of work, if you were walking into a store with £500 in your pocket to buy a new TV and you saw a homeless person sheltering in a shop doorway, would you ignore them and buy the TV, or would you pay for a bed for the night for the hom,eless person and buy a smaller or cheaper TV ?

I can't help feeling that Christmas should be renamed Consumermas.

 

Never. Never.

I would restrict expense claims to what is legit. 'Getting away with' isn't a concept I follow.

I don't audit charities.

I wouldn't waste £500 on a tv.The one I've got will last me for donkeys.

Not everyone spends a fortune pointlessly at Christmas.

Yes and Yes and..............    3 thanks

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......goodwill to all men ........even dragons Mouse007

 

Put your problems on probation

Run your troubles off the track

Throw your worries out the window

Get the monkeys off your back

Silence all your inner critics

With your conscience make amends

And allow yourself some happiness

It's Christmas time again!

 

Happy Christmas to all

Polly

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Scrooges in 2011    2 thanks

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Dave & George, isn't that how things have to be now, got to be cruel to be kind, austerity & all that.

All init together?? some things don't change.

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you better watch out    3 thanks

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you better not cry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pauxfOgZe0A

 

He's making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.

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?    1 thanks

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Flash Gordon wrote:

I'll settle for being alive, healthy and having my little furry ones around to cuddle. 

Beavers?

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!    1 thanks

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Ferrets actually, but they're a bugger when they run up your trouser leg!

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I love ferrets and am so tempted to get some    1 thanks

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Have you seen the way they bounce up and down on all four legs like they are on a trampoline? They are such playful little creatures and great fun ... and they would fit in with my flat cap, whippets and ferrets image of Yorkshire :)

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Suggestion for Shirley    1 thanks

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I was going to suggest that you ask Santa Claus for some but then he seems to have left us already - and I hadn't even given him a carrot for Rudolph! Maybe he has the same problems these days with getting deliveries made on time as Royal Mail et al and thought making an early start would ensure that there were no disappointed little children :)

If you're watching Santa could you leave my ferrets their presents outside the front door - the builders blocked the chimney up indoors and I'd hate to come down on Chrimbo morning to a pile of bits of wall instead of a pile of presents... Thanks awfully!

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Bite    1 thanks

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ShirleyM wrote:

Have you seen the way they bounce up and down on all four legs like they are on a trampoline? They are such playful little creatures and great fun ... and they would fit in with my flat cap, whippets and ferrets image of Yorkshire :)

I've only met two ferrets, I agree they are playful and fun.... but they bite!!

Old Greying Accountant's picture

Ah, but ...    1 thanks

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... do you know why  they put ferrets down their trousers?

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To keep them warm, of course ;)

ShirleyM | | Permalink

Ony kidding .... I know it is some sort of macho (or masochist) game, OGA.

It would be a good game for I'm a Celebrity, except some pleasant creatures (the ferrets) may get hurt in the filming!

I get soooooo annoyed by the people on that program getting so scared of tame rats! Those poor rats have such a lot to put up with, and they didn't volunteer, or receive loadsa dosh either!

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I think you are wrong there ...

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... my understanding was that as poaching was then a capital offence, the poacher out rabbiting would slip the ferrets down his trousers to conceal them from the gamekeeper - the macho contests devolved from that!

Mouse007's picture

I'll settle for being alive, healthy and having my little furry    2 thanks

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ones around to cuddle.

 

Here you go Flash

ShirleyM's picture

I concede, OGA :)

ShirleyM | | Permalink

I am sure the end result was the same, though ;)

Someone has to post this Youtube clip, so it may as well be me :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xHEj3Gk4Q

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Thank you Mouse!!!

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That is sooooo sweet :)

I love the way his little face goes from sad to happy!

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