More word play
A couple of threads this week have got me thinking, always a dangerous pastime!
One is about words and their pronounciation, and why.
The word that caught my eye is "executor".
Presumably so named as they "execute" the wishes of the deceased as expressed in their will: so why is it pronounced "ex-eck-ya-ter", and not "ex-e-cute-or"?
The other one is where a transposition error makes an equally valid word, often with diametrically opposite meaning to that intended.
The word here was "complaint", but accidently typed as "compliant" - two words that don't sit well together!
I was wondering about other examples?
Puzzled!
- Shirley, I wasn't talking about a Yorkshireman going to a famous Belgian first world war site and just forgot t' apostrophe!
Not used to being up this early, certainly not and having to think too!
Explain, please, cos ah dunt naw wot yer on abart :)
My brain isn't in gear yet ... but I have hopes it will get there before the day is out!
Typres ...
... I meant typed, not t' Ypres! - wake up gel!
Just shows
that people don't actually read and digest what is posted. No offence Shirley, I also thought OGA had finally lost it and joined the rest of us.
I always thought it was amusing
that in olden times you were presumably killed by the same person who then took care of your estate :)
Fixed :-)
I was tempted to leave it given the irony but have fixed the typo :-)
I love the complaint / compliant comparison - I'm going to have to think about other similar examples as it's a fun observation!
With regards to the pronunciation question, however, there may be a slightly more boring answer. Most words (there are, as ever, irritating exceptions) are pronounced in a way the provides the speaker's vocal system with the least amount of resistance. This is why words like "yeah" grew out of "yes" as we lazy-tongued speakers found that meaning could still be communicated without having to go to the effort of producing the final sound. For "executor" it follows the standard stress patter found in English where a weak first sound is followed by a stronger syllable. It's simply "easier" to say it this way than focus on producing a stressed syllable at the start.
OGA, if you enjoy word games, I have a puzzle that drove everyone in my class mad and still keeps me awake some nights. Try to think of two "true" synonyms - totally different words that mean exactly the same thing. After 5 years, all I can come up with are "gorse" and "furze" and they're hardly common words!
you
could have a lot of fun with currants. What was that sentence where you moved the comma to create 3 or 4 different meanings?
I'll have to think about that ...
... but lead me to ponder (although I think I mentioned this on an earlier words thread) of words that mean to opposite of how they sound - my favourite being salubrious, which to me should be akin to seedy, sleazy, sordid and squalid!
Another is turgid, which given its similarity to torpid, sounds like it should mean similar to languid and sluggish.
Thanks for (sort of) fixing the typo (needs a "d" not an "s" :o) ), I think later posts are clear enough to not confuse anyone (except may be Shirley - lol).
Now now OGA!!!
I've managed to wake up a tiny part of my brain ... and I spotted the post that kicked this off with the 'compliant' being typed instead of 'complaint'.
ps. I hope you don't start inspecting all my posts because I seem to specialise in 'putting my foot in it', and I am fairly good at malapropisms, so you may find a few of those!
Henry .. your word game will keep me occupied all day! Once someone sets me off on a challenge that interests me, then I can't think about anything else for ages!!!! :( Can I send you the bill for someone to do my work for me while I am playing????
What about
centre and middle. I know I'm goig to get rapped on this one. Device and thingamejig.
Shirley ...
... you sound more Hilda Ogden (with her murial) than Nora Batty!
Fixed 2: Fixed Harder 1 thanks
Got it this time - missed it on the first pass through. For all my geeking out over language, I'm a terrible proof-reader!
John ...
... I infuriate my son with pass me the whotsit so I can get the gubbins out of this, and then shouting at him NO!, the whotsit, not the doings, next to the watchamacallit, in front of the oojar!
He'll learn, it seems to be genetic as my father and grandfather were the same!
Henry ...
... excellent, you are on form today, very subtle!
hehe ... I must try 'harder', too ;)
Shame on you OGA!!!!!!!!!
I am a Yorkshire lass, and proud of it! How dare you say I am like a Lancastrian! I'll stick with Nora Batty, thanks ;)
As I said elsewhere ...
... once you get past Watford Gap it's all the same to me - lol
You'll be pleased we beat the toffee men last night then though :o) (or is that Cheshire, never quite sure, my map just says "here be dragons"!)
OGA - haven't you heard of ....
The War of the Roses??????
The White Rose of York v the Red Rose of Lancaster?
Not that we hold grudges or live in the past (much!) .. but there is still a bit of competition between Yorkshire & Lancashire. I don't know why .. it's just something that's accepted as normal, for some reason!
But Yorkshire folk are very loyal to Yorkshire. Who wouldn't be? It is a glorious part of the country :)
Correct me if I'm wrong
but wasn't Lancashire and Yorkshire only a small part of the war. Anyway I prefered Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner being refereed by Dany De Vito.
Who really knows, John?
Neither of us were there, so we have to rely on history being accurately documented. I found the following, which may be true, maybe not!
The White Rose was the symbol of Yorkist supporters who opposed the rival House of Lancaster, whose symbol was the Red Rose of Lancaster. The opposition of the two parties, symbolised by the red and white roses gave the wars their name - the Wars of the Roses. The Wars of the Roses ended with King Henry VII who started the Tudor dynasty and symbolically united the White and Red Roses to create the Tudor Rose.
Here's one for Sarah ...
... I get fed up with being picked up as I say Glaz-gow, whereas all and sundry around me say Glars-gow.
However, I say C-lars wheras Shirley presumably says (is that sez or sayes) c-lass.
As a foreigner I can be more objective, and Shirley is right, overall, in my soft southern opinion Yorkshire is better (not least because of Betty's of York and Taylor's of Harrogate), especially the more north you go, but, I did find Clitheroe and the Forest of Bowland a wonderful place.
is that Cheshire...did you say?
... once you get past Watford Gap it's all the same to me - lol
You'll be pleased we beat the toffee men last night then though :o) (or is that Cheshire, never quite sure, my map just says "here be dragons"!)
Actually your toffee men are in the County Palatine of Lancaster, whereas Cheshire is part of the County Palatine of Chester. Don't you know your eleventh centry political geography?
I may be old and greying ...
... but not that ... - lol
I did a Google search but as Liverpool a metroploitan district now it wan't much use, I just know the posh ones come from the Wirral which is I believe Cheshire so assume the Mersey is the boundary?
They are not "my" toffee men though, my boys in blue come from the Kings Road!
You're not entirely correct on 21st century political geography either !
As I look out of the office window, (and it's just turned high tide) across the river I see "the dark side", Birkenhead, Wallasey etc.. Hardly posh and definitely not Cheshire!
Have you been to Liverpool lately? Perhaps you should come up for a weekend - it's a great place to visit! You could always tie it in with watching your boys in blue humiliated at Anfield (and I think that will be the penultimate game of the season - 5th May). And you might learn something about the North West.
But you may have a little difficulty with some of the pronunciation! (That was me trying to bring in some kind of relevance to the original posting!)
Weren't they lucky
last night? Yes I'm a bit partial to vintage taylors.
@ShirleyM. Why is there a Yorky bar but no Lancy bar (please no puns) Pubs called Yorkshire grey but no Lancashire red. A Yorkshire terrier but not a lancashire doberman (not lassies). etc. etc.
You want me to educate you?
John, I can't help you much with pub names ... but for dogs......
.... there's the Yorkshire terrier, and the Lancashire heeler, but naturally, Yorkies are more popular than heelers which is why everbody knows about Yorkies, but not heelers.
I can't explain why we don't have a Lancy bar ... maybe the Lancs people are even tighter than the Yorks people ????
jpcc1
I haven't been up to Liverpool for best part of 20 years, i always enjoyed it though. I was amazed at the contrast, new modern building abiding side by side with derelict bomb craters.
We used to audit a well known delivery franchise and the original depot was not in the most salubrious area, when we stopped for a paper you had to lock the car and check the locking wheel nuts and you had to ask for everything down to a penny chew that would be passed through a small slit in the steel shutters around the counter (as everything was behind glass and steel) afte of course mone had changesd hands.
They moved later to the quays to some new industrial units that were very nice, but the accounts department then moved to Warrington.
My only other memories were on the "special" buses taking us from the charter train at Lime Street to Stanley Park and either Goodison or Anfield, oh the fun we had trying to spot the posh scouser (the one not in a shell suit - lol).
Not being a woman ...
... I prefer bakery provender to chocolate, CHELSEA buns being my favourite ( and our long gone local baker used to make them on site with sticky icing instead of sugar topping).
You do get Chorley cakes though, and I have a secret fetish for Eccles cakes. (I love it that the border terrier in Corrie is called Eccles, a superb name for a dog in Manchester!).
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Shame on you OGA!!!!!!!!!
I am a Yorkshire lass, and proud of it! How dare you say I am like a Lancastrian! I'll stick with Nora Batty, thanks ;)
Wooooo Yorkshire!
I bet you got an Arsenal of buns
to Spur you on OGA and no doubt you eat them in a Palace or one of the Queens Parks. Still as long as you don't get Hammered.
Another pair of similar words sprang unbidden to mind ...
... prostrate and prostate - Ah, I hear you say, problems with the latter can lead one to be the former!
(I really should stop doing cryptic crosswords!)
A couple more pair
Try disparate and desparate
or
condensation and condescension
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ha ha ...
... good thread for a typo, and I can't edit the OP. If Henry want's to feel free - Shirley, I wasn't talking about a Yorkshireman going to a famous Belgian first world war site and just forgot t' apostrophe!
Not used to being up this early, certainly not and having to think too!