Opening Trial Balance

Hello all
I am attempting to put an opening trial balance into quickbooks, and all seems ok except that the £7,000 that I put against a customer as an opening balance outstanding on the first day of the QB accounting period has not only appeared in trade debtors, but there are entries for the same amounts in Uncategorized income (Cr) and Opening Balance equity (Dr). Is this simply a matter of setting these two accounts against each other to remove these balances, or was the original trade debtor entered incorrectly? When I double click trade debtors, the amount is shown as an opening balance on the first day of the year type = INV.

Thanks for your help

SamJay

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petersaxton's picture

Two questions

petersaxton | | Permalink

Did you enter the balance sheet at the last day of the previous year or as the first day of the new year?

What was the other side of the invoice?

angelicnorth's picture

Dear Sam Jay

angelicnorth | | Permalink

Dear Sam Jay

 

I think the best an simplest way to do this is create a customer and add an invoice for 70000 for that customer.

 

The trial balance will then be

Debtors control Account   Debit 7,000

VAT Liability                    Credit 1166.67

Profit & Loss Account      Credit 5833.33

Ensure you have the dates correct when looking at your trial balance.

 

Helen

Thanks for the prompt

SamJay | | Permalink

Thanks for the prompt response Peter. I entered the balance sheet the first day of the new year - the accounts are being transferred to QB for the new year. Should I have date it all last day of previous year?

The other side of the transaction is already a Cr in Retained earnings.

QB has posted another Dr (Opening balance equity) and Cr (Uncategorized Income) for the same amount.

 

Thanks

 

 

Hi Helen

SamJay | | Permalink

Thanks for your prompt response. 

There is no VAT involved. I did create a customer and included the £7,000 in opening balance as at the start of the new year, the first time QB has been used. As it is part of the profit of the previous year, I do not want it showing up in profits again for the current year, which is what QB has done, then posting a Dr balance to Opening Balance equity to balance the ledger.

 

SamJay

Hi again Peter

SamJay | | Permalink

Hi again Peter

I have changed the date on the opening trade debtor balance to 31 March, the day before the start of the new accounting period, but QB is still showing the same two additional entries:

Dr Opening balance equity

Cr Uncategorized income

I could just do a journal to get rid of them, but interested to know why QB is doing this.

Thanks

SamJay 

petersaxton's picture

change invoice

petersaxton | | Permalink

you should enter the nominal code for the invoice as Opening balance equity

angelicnorth's picture

Hi Sam Jay

angelicnorth | | Permalink

Hi Sam Jay

I see what you are try to do. As you say the 7000 has already been reported as profit in prior financial year.  So if the amount is entered as an invoice it will debit debtors control account by 7000 which will show as profit in this years accounts.

 

Journal Entries

Accruals DR 7000  make sure you enter the customers name in the field, 7000 will now appear on their account as a journal entry no an invoice

Owners Equity CR 7000

 

When the payment is made make a deposit entry for the Make Deposits window entering the cutomers name in the field again.

These notional transactions will not show in your P/L but in your Balance Sheet as equity

Hope this helps

 

Helen

 

 

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petersaxton | | Permalink

 

"I see what you are try to do. As you say the 7000 has already been reported as profit in prior financial year.  So if the amount is entered as an invoice it will debit debtors control account by 7000 which will show as profit in this years accounts."

No it wont if you post the other side to Opening balance equity

"Journal Entries

Accruals DR 7000  make sure you enter the customers name in the field, 7000 will now appear on their account as a journal entry no an invoice

Owners Equity CR 7000"

This entry should not be made. Why should you enter a Dr to Accruals?

Hi Peter & Helen

SamJay | | Permalink

Hi Peter & Helen

Peter's advice about selecting the nominal code for the invoice as Opening balance equity was the way to go. With the version of QB I am using (2006 Premier), it is a convoluted process as follows:

 

  1. Entering Opening Balance of Customers:
    1. Assuming the balance is missing:
    2. Lists/Item List
    3. Item, then click New
    4. Type, then choose Other Charge
    5. "Opening Balance" in Item Name and Description
    6. Amount – enter the amount
    7. Account List, select Open Bal Equity
    8. Then invoice the customer with this item.  Use start date. When in the invoices, open Item, and you should see the opening balance you entered above, select it, and save.

The full instructions I obtained from here

Thanks to both of you.

SamJay

petersaxton's picture

How I do it

petersaxton | | Permalink

How I enter opening balances is as follows:

I use the last date of the previous period - this seems more logical to me but the first date of the new period achieves the same result

QuickBooks suggests Opening balance equity but any account (eg Suspense) can be used.

Sales Invoices are posted individually with the real date of the invoice and the Cr is posted to Opening balance equity. Obviously credit notes are posted the opposite way.

Purchase Invoices (Bills) are posted individually with the real date of the invoice and the Dr is posted to Opening balance equity. Obviously credit notes are posted the opposite way.

The bank balances need to be entered. The usual suggestion is to enter each cash book balance as one amount - the other side should be Opening balance equity - but I prefer to enter the bank statement balance and the reconciling items individually with the correct dates and references. This will be useful when you reconcile the bank in the future. If you don't do this you can't do a reconciliation using the accounting software until all the pre-period end items have cleared.

The remaining balances on the trial balance are entered using one journal with the balancing amount posted to Opening balance equity.

If everything has been entered correctly Opening balance equity will be zero.

 

Thanks Peter

SamJay | | Permalink

Thanks Peter

I will try your way next time, as the method I have used leaves the amount in a list for Opening Bal Equity, and I am concerned that someone may accidentally select this on another transaction.

SamJay

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Inactive

petersaxton | | Permalink

Make it Inactive

OK Thanks!

SamJay | | Permalink

OK Thanks!

By the way, is there a good UK manual for QB?

Thanks again Peter

SamJay | | Permalink

Thanks again Peter

You have been very helpful.

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