Anyone remember 1997?

With apologies to the Any Answerer who posed the same question a few days ago.

Not a natural party animal but, on 1 May 1997, I let go and tried it out and what a party!  Anything had to be better than the legacy of that dreadful woman and for the first time in my voting life my Labour vote counted.  Tony was "The One" the saviour who had been fashioned by Tory hubris and a bit of fine tuning from Alistair C. 

13 years on and the country is a vastly different place and Tony now speaks with an American accent.  I say different, I still think that overall it is significantly better than had 1997 not happened however I am left wondering how things might have been had John Smith not been taken from us.

Without the integrity of people like JS and others, who are either kept out the Club or who only seem to appear once they leave it, UK politics remains to repeat itself repeat itself.  Now we have darling Dave, who is probably an OK kinda guy, but who is a product of the other side's bad PR and once more the party and media machines have been let out the traps and it's teeth-gritting time till all the money & hot air is wasted.

It might be that there will be too little dead wood left on all sides of the House to maintain the Club that perpetuates the cycle of hope-to-incompetence that we have seen over the past 60 years but don't hold your breath, like the Union Jack and it's memory of empire, the Mother (of all Parliaments) still has its store of arrogance.

Then, on the glass half full side, maybe we will elect a few who put intergrity, the "long term" and the Planet at the top of their manifesto.  I'll put the Prosecco on ice (less CO2 than champers).

 

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cymraeg_draig's picture

I disagree

cymraeg_draig | | Permalink

 

I disagree with your description of Maggie.  She was actually possibly the best Prime Minister Britain has ever had.

At least she stood up for Britain, put the pseudo-communist trade unions in their place, and told europe to look elsewhewre for it's handouts.

You refer to that "dreadful woman" but what then does that make Gormless McDoom? 13 years of gross incompetence and blatant lies have shown that Labour cannot be trusted. Indeed it is a fact that every Labour government has ended with the country on the brink of bankruptcy.

Personally I will look back on 1997 as the begining of Britains decline, and on 2010 as the year we got rid of the Stuttering Lying Scottish Loon.

Paul Scholes's picture

As if by clockwork

Paul Scholes | | Permalink

CD do you ever not take the bait?  You relieved yourself all over the last thread with this name (and the one before & the one before) so maybe just a pasted link would suffice?

I have nothing else to say.  There you are nice & short for your cut & paste.

cymraeg_draig's picture

Sad lefties

cymraeg_draig | | Permalink

Fairly typical of the left.  You don't like to have your views challenged, and resort to personal abuse (no doubt a lesson learned from Gormless McDoom and his shower). 

Obviously freedom of speech means nothing to you.  How sad.

sue scherzo's picture

election

sue scherzo | | Permalink

Dear Welsh Dragon

 

are you going to go for Plaid Cymru?

 

What!!!!!

Anonymous | | Permalink

You don't like to have your views challenged, and resort to personal abuse (no doubt a lesson learned from Gormless McDoom and his shower). 

Obviously freedom of speech means nothing to you.  How sad.

Pot, Kettle, black .... springs to mind!

ps. I am building a reserve fund to defend the libel action.

pps. I hope you can take a joke :)

John Stokdyk's picture

Come on boys, keep it clean...

John Stokdyk | | Permalink

There is obviously going to be a degree of disharmony in this discussion group (that's what it's here for), but please refrain from too much "yah boo sucks!" behaviour and try to stick to the subject.

CD - you could also help your own cause and that of informed debate if you weren't quite so sensitive to every slight (real or perceived) and if you didn't quite go on so much. Interestingly, someone has asked you about Plaid Cymru and we haven't heard your thoughts yet - that is a subject on which I would like to know your views.

Meanwhile, to get back to Paul's original thread, I can declare my own impartiality as a non-voting resident of this country. I don't think it's going to be just like 1997 this time around. Politically it's a very exciting race and the main difference is that there may well be the possibility of a coalition government, which hasn't happened in the UK since the 1940s.

I think that could be quite an interesting development and would be good for sorting out issues on which the parties can all agree (simplifying the tax system, anyone?). Already, we've seen the pernicious increase in cider duty postponed, and the 50p landline levy with it. A bit of political give-and-take, and a goverment based on muddling through rather than anyone's grand strategy or PR matrix would be preferable to me than what we've had to put up with from both sides since 1979 (oh dear, I'm beginning to sound like a Lib-Dem!).

The large number of accountant-candidates also makes it a fascinating election from AccountingWEB's point of view. Keep an eye on the profiles that will appear elsewhere in this discussion group.

sue scherzo's picture

red dragon

sue scherzo | | Permalink

Thanks Paul, the voice of reason...it would be interesting to know if any of the accountants looking for election are Plaid Cymru, but I doubt it! And..I would be more impressed if RD called himself   Y Ddraig Gymraeg   or Draig Goch!  Hopefully he will understand!

We do need some interesting debate about tax legislation, the thinking over the last 20 years or more seems to be change every year whether it's needed or not, this is far from helpful in a world of far too much tax law already.

I would like to know the true ( oh dear !) detail of each main party's ideas here and not just a snapshot image, with a bit of vective on the side. Mr Osborne does not impress , Mr Darling has just delivered a temporary budget, and Vince belongs to a party which is unlikely to win a majority. I understand that MRS Osborne is however a smart cookie....who else is there out there with a fiscal brain?

 

National Insurance Contributions ARE a tax - at last

fionamcke | | Permalink

 One thing about this election is that NI contibutions have now been acknowledged to be a tax. This after 30+ years when politicians of both hues pledged to bring/keep down income tax while sneaking up the rates of NI. Now we hear it from the Tories (and no argument from Labour).

I agree the tax system needs an overhall. All the IR35/employed/self-employed bureaucracy comes about because of the use of NIC to raise vast amounts of tax invisible to most public eyes.

Paul Scholes's picture

Hung Parliament

Paul Scholes | | Permalink

I agree John, whilst other hung or coalition executives around the world have not lived up to expectations, it must be worth a go, the trouble is that most politicians are not bred or trained to work in coalitions, and the analogy of a board of directors discussing and deciding never seems to fit.

Whilst my original posting was "all my own work" I have to admit that it was flavoured by having read the stream of headlines issued by old fiery breath on the last thread.  The trouble with CD's debating technique is that one sentence or phrase from a commentator will generate what look like standard pre-written responses rather than a reply to or comment on what was actually written.  Had he read (and understood) my comments he'd see, for example, that I am now a vivid green rather than a dusty red (the dust coming from too much time under the bed) but that I'd probably have been a rather fetching brown had John Smith still been around.

Details needed

Anonymous | | Permalink

I agree with Sue, the various parties need to be more specific with details. A lot of the ideas/policies have no substance at the moment.

With luck, they will now spend more time providing information, and less time point scoring and criticising one another.

John Stokdyk's picture

Help is at hand Sue!

John Stokdyk | | Permalink

Thanks for your comment, Sue - we were thinking along the same lines on tax issues. It will take a bit of time on Thursday, but our plan is to have a summary of the main tax policy positions adopted by each party, with on-going commentaries as the campaign develops.

I've started a Tax policy campaign notebook as a separate thread in this group and will keep you posted when the main summary article item goes live.

cymraeg_draig's picture

Plaid Cymru

cymraeg_draig | | Permalink

...are you going to go for Plaid Cymru?

 

Posted by sue scherzo on Wed, 07/04/2010 - 13:54

 

As I spent nearly 20 years as a Tory councillor (retired due to ill health after heart attack) I'll leave you to guess which way I am likely to vote.

Although proud of my heritage I do not agree with any separatist movement. After all the English stole all our coal, the least we can do is steal all their benefits:).

Now I would be in favour of Scotland becoming independant IF, and only if, that meant that Brown and all the other Scots in westminster could be immediately deported back to Scotland.  Apologies to any Scots, but giving us Gordon Brown just wasnt a nice thing to do.  

 

 

 

 

cymraeg_draig's picture

Tax Policies

cymraeg_draig | | Permalink

That is simple -

 

Labour - will tax you in any way they can think of

Tories - will tax you and tell you its all labours fault

Liberals - will promise not to tax you because they know they will never form a government

BNP - will tax  all foreigners

UKIP - will tax anything that sounds vaguely french or german

 

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