TV debate 1: 15 April on ITV

Tonight at 8.30pm on ITV1, Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg will discuss domestic affairs including health, education and welfare in the first leadership debate of its kind in the UK. We've teamed up with our sister site, BusinessZone.co.uk to post a live blog of the debate as it unfolds. Set your reminder below to take part in the action.

Don't forget to let us know what you think of the debate afterwards - although I suspect the real excitement for this audience will have to wait until the third debate on economic affairs on 29 April.

 

 

 

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Paul Scholes's picture

Sorry better things to do

Paul Scholes | | Permalink

It's a lovely evening out there and so we'll be out with Frantic Franky, so I'll rely on you all to tell me about the highlights, jokes and rude bits.  Promise to take my turn when they let http://www.carolinelucasmep.org.uk/ have her say.

cymraeg_draig's picture

I actually watched it.

cymraeg_draig | | Permalink

 

Sorry Paul but the only joke was Brown himself.

I thought Cameron came across as sincere and intelligent with some good ideas, but possibly not tough enough.

Clegg was irrelevent because we all know he will never be called upon to put his money where his mouth is,

Brown, as always, was a bumbling buffoon who tried to make sarcastic remarks about the others, and never exp-lained why, if he has such smart ideas,. he hasnt implemented them in 13 long miserable years.

davidwinch's picture

Reinforcing my already held view

davidwinch | | Permalink

Before the debate I would have ranked the three parties in a particular order.

After the debate I would rank the parties in the same order, but my view is held more strongly.

So was I viewing objectively, or did I simply 'pick up' on the comments that corresponded to my previous sympathies?  I don't know!

However it does seem that polls about the debate do not give identical results to earlier polls about voting intentions, otherwise the debate polls would show a preference for (1) Cameron, (2) Brown, (3) Clegg - rather than (1) Clegg, (2) Cameron, (3) Brown.  So not everyone is simply repeating what they already thought.

Certainly the quality of the debate was better than that typically heard in Parliamentary Prime Minister's Questions.  Let's be grateful for that!

David

Difference of view

Anonymous | | Permalink

I agree with the poll.

Clegg appeared to be the most sincere, Brown as the old experienced and 'trying hard' PM, Cameron came across as the least believable.

Clegg has gone up in my estimation, and Cameron has dropped even lower than my previous low estimation. I like a lot of what Brown promises, but with all of the contenders, at this stage they are only promises!

cymraeg_draig's picture

Brown is clearly a "man of substance"...............

cymraeg_draig | | Permalink

................ unfortunately that "substance" is pure male cow droppings.

 

Clegg was promising the world, knowing he would never be asked to deliver.

Cameron put forward sound policies which will address concerns held by the electorate. 

Cameron

Anonymous | | Permalink

I liked the description someone posted elsewhere on AWeb ....

Cameron is the posh equivalent of Del Boy Trotter. He has no substance at all.

Paul Scholes's picture

CD.....nurse, he's out of bed again!

Paul Scholes | | Permalink

CD - calm down, you've already made the point about cow droppings on another thread, in fact you're still calling them "male cow" and you a veggie country dweller?  Joking aside, you do your position no good whatsoever, you've been a tory councellor for 20 odd? years and you talk like this, on a public forum, the hope is that you are not representative of your party.

cymraeg_draig's picture

Paul

cymraeg_draig | | Permalink

when I see the damage that Brown and his bunch have caused to this country through 13 years of mismanagement and lies I seeth with anger.  Labour has taken a great nation, and turned it into a devisive society where everyone spies on everyone else (MLR being a prime example) and has bankrupted the nation whilst flooding us with undesirables and distorting our legal system and betraying everyone who fought for this country. 

 

Incidently, as a matter of interest, its just been announced that the official viewing figures show that MORE people tuned in to watch the leader of the BNP on question time, than tuned in to watch last nights debate.  What conclusions can be drawn from that I wonder ?  

jimeth's picture

A Good Day for British Politics

jimeth | | Permalink

I thought that the first election debate was good.  I watched/listened to all of it.  Normally political interviews have me switching off quite quickly.

I think we need opportunities like this for the politicians and parties to put forward their policies and ideas and challenge one other's policies and ideas.  Allowing the politicians to speak without an irritating interviewer certainly helped for me.

I definitely think this should become an established feature of British elections.

Tories

Anonymous | | Permalink

I have exactly the same view as CD, but for the Tories.

They caused a big division in the country too, but in their case it was between the rich and the poor, the north and the south. They destroyed the NHS, but that is ok because the wealthy can afford private health care & jump the long queues caused by hospital ward closures. They gave away the family silver, but thats ok because the people who got rich out of it will pay income tax (but a lower % of overall earnings than the less well off). They destroyed many industries, but thats ok cos the financial services based in London will show the country as having economic growth. They encouraged greed (under the guise of capitalism) and we got the fat cats as a result. They were also masters of stealth taxes. I could go on and on, but won't!

We all have our memories. Mine just happen to be longer than yours.

cymraeg_draig's picture

Strange

cymraeg_draig | | Permalink

I have exactly the same view as CD, but for the Tories.

They caused a big division in the country too, but in their case it was between the rich and the poor, the north and the south.

 

Posted by Anonymous on Fri, 16/04/2010 - 12:08

 

Strange that - because the gap betwen the rich and the poor has actually grown under Labour? 

Style and substance

Anonymous | | Permalink

One view was that Clegg had style, Brown had substance and Cameron had neither.

I think the Tories were the big losers from the debate because - unlike Labour - they expected to do well.

cymraeg_draig's picture

A simple question..........

cymraeg_draig | | Permalink

.... if Brown has all the wonderful schemes he claims to have to improve policing, education, health etc, and, if the country was as well off as he claims a few years ago, them why didn't labour do any of these things then?

Why has it taken the 13 years to get round to doing these things?

 

Labour had their chance - and they blew it.

Labour had their chance

Anonymous | | Permalink

"Labour had their chance - and they blew it"

Tories, ditto.

cymraeg_draig's picture

Clegg is unelectable

cymraeg_draig | | Permalink

Clegg plans to raise capital gains tax, watch his answers on the economy carefully. This move would slow down investment and hit every citizen. Some directly but others indirectly.

Capital gains tax isn't just paid by rich bankers the man is living in the past.

Capital gains tax is as insidious as VAT in a different way. In many respects it is worse because it distorts the efficient allocation of capital.The failure to allocate capital correctly is the major cause of our debt and the GFC.
 

Capital gains tax penalizes the efficient allocation of capital by penalizing it's movement from one type of investment to another. Further it reduces the amount to be allocated over the whole system. The affect on economic activity worsens as the rate rises. This cost jobs it is simply bad.The destruction of capital is evil in financial and real terms the correct allocation of capital is a virtue it creates prosperity.

All wealth stems from the use of capital. Governments do not create wealth they are charged with creating conditions that generate wealth. Clegg is a dangerous man in a different way to Brown but dangerous just the same.  Failure to understand something as basic as the implications of increased capital gains tax is worrying especially during a period of fragile economic recovery.

The terms in which Clegg introduced this subject are revealing of his thought process. An attempt to characterize capital as the territory of a few privileged bankers this is malevolent nonsense and shows no understanding of the vital role of capital.

I would not vote for Clegg because of that.

I agree

Anonymous | | Permalink

They probably have blown it, and there any many things they could have done better, but please take off 'the rose tinted specs' regarding the Tories. They blew it, too, the last time they were in power.

Maybe it is time to give the 'new boys' a chance?

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