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Advisers buried in CIS penalty avalanche

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26th Feb 2010
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Members of AccountingWEB.co.uk’s Construction industry accountants discussion group have brought to light an epidemic of multiple CIS penalty notices running into tens of thousands of pounds for individual clients.

Over the past few weeks, advisers have reported clients receiving anything from 25 to 212 penalty notices, in separate envelopes, notifying them of fines ranging from £39,300 to £80,000.

The staggering size of these penalty levies results from the way the tariff increases by £100 each month from an initial sum of £100.

Most of the advisors in the discussion group reported that they were successful in appealing against the penalties on the grounds that the fines were disproportionate, reasonable excuse and HMRC administrative error where the department had agreed the clients’s schemes had closed.  In these instances, the clients then received multiple notifications that the penalties had been amended to £0.00.

One advisor was successful in getting HMRC to reimburse the client for the accountants’ bill. The irritation and administrative hassles caused by the penalty avalanche is unsatisfactory for all concerned and the department confirmed that work had been undertaken to look at the situation where clients received unexpected penalty notices. However with a Budget looming, the department has not yet been able to confirm what proposals might have emerged from these deliberations, or when they are likely to be put out for consultation.

The specific penalty notice issue will resolve itself when the new penalties for late returns in Finance Act 2009 swing into force - although a firm commencement date has not yet been finalised. Under the new proposals there will be a fine of £100 when the return is late, followed by a further £200 when the return is two months late. Thereafter penalties arise at 6 months late and are tax geared with a minimum of £300. However, the maximum penalty that can apply at the point of late registration will be £3,000, irrespective of how many returns have been missed (ref para 13 Sch 55 FA 2009). Although this is a substantial fine, it compares well with some of the penalty notices currently being raised.

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By User deleted
03rd Mar 2010 14:47

CIS penalties

Accountax Consulting has had a lot of success in upholding gross payment status appeals and are currently defending several such cases.

The penalties are very often disproportionate, a point being considered by the tribunal in SKG.

If you have any penalty cases please feel free to contact us at [email protected].

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John Stokdyk, AccountingWEB head of insight
By John Stokdyk
03rd Mar 2010 19:17

HMRC comment & clarification

The following comment came through this afternoon from HMRC's press office: "Incorrectly issued penalties are not the result of a system problem but failure to correctly follow procedure - this is being put right."

Further HMRC background on the situation

In a very small number of cases multiple penalties are being issued to contractors in respect of their late, or non-filed, contractor monthly returns;In some cases, the number of penalties being issued is correct, whereas in other cases it is not;The number of contractors getting multiple penalties like this is very small and it is only likely to affect those contractors for whom we have not had a valid address for quite a while and whose record has lain dormant for months or years. Nonetheless we take this seriously and have identified the problem;Contractors for whom we still do not have a current address have their penalties issued to the last known address;Contractors that have been submitting monthly returns regularly are very unlikely to be affected by this issue;This has had the effect of inadvertently “notifying” the CIS computer system that a contractor (who for example has ‘gone unknown’ or has been dormant for 3 or more years) has failed to send in his returns since 6 April 2007.  Automatic penalties are therefore issued by the CIS computer system.  At the last issue, these can amount to a maximum of 336 penalties in 84 separate envelopesWhen the penalties are subsequently cancelled, ‘correction’ penalties of zero are issued per each issued penalty.

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By Paul Crowley
29th Jul 2022 10:16

HMRC are a bunch of liars
£60,000 to my client who used to phone them to get 6 months of no filing
HMRC told me there was no error, my client just failed to file and when I asked why they waited years to issue the penalties all at once, as usually the penalties were issued each and every month he continued to just repeat that this had not happened to anyone else so clearly my client's fault
The internet proved that person and the whole HMRC to be deliberate liars, as the same 'not happened to any one else' was used when taxpayer in the thousands called HMRC

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By Paul Crowley
31st Mar 2023 21:51

And no
My client did not get any amended penalties of nil
Just a single letter, with no word of apology.

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By User deleted
28th Mar 2010 12:18

Further info

You might like to read an update on this issue of CIS notices etc by Jennifer Adams on www.taxationweb.co.uk/tax-articles/business-tax/an-important-date.html

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