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PBR 08: Darling's VAT change puts software on the spot

The chancellor's sudden decision to change the standard rate of VAT from 17.5% to 15% from Monday 1 December has triggered a flurry of activity and anguish in the financial software industry. John Stokdyk reports.

Most popular accounting packages such as Sage 50, QuickBooks, MYOB and Microsoft Office Accounting include facilities to add or amend standard VAT rates.


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Liberty and VAT changes

SteveBliss | | Permalink

I have to say, albeit belatedly, that the team at Athene Systems made the required VAT changes in Liberty Accounts a very smooth and seamless exercise. It is not the first time that I have been impressed with the quick and accurate updating of their on line accounting system

Steve Blissett
Rodliffe Accounting Limited

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Industry in a tizz

John Stokdyk | | Permalink

Thanks all for sharing experiences comments and updates. We've had lots of calls and press statements on this subject in the past couple of days from software companies.

Sage was not alone in its about-turn, Martin. Its initial advice followed HMRC's suggestion to create a new code, but following an intense debate within BASDA on Monday and Tuesday the developers reached a consensus that the best way to proceed was to amend the standard tax code.

MYOB, in its advice to users, summarised the following process to work around the transitional dates: 1. Alter the standard VAT rate from 17.5% to 15% on Monday morning. 2. Set up a new 17.5% VAT code (named 'S2' for example) for whenever you need to use the old 17.5% VAT rate. This might apply where a purchase invoice you receive on 3 December 2008 is dated 27 November 2008, so the S2 code would be applied to give you the older 17.5% rate.

As the article mentions, check first with your developer whether your application will alter the recorded VAT rate when you go back into a transaction - this will vary from package to package.

Kevin McCallum from Pegasus has also been in touch to clarify how Opera II handles VAT. He challenged the implication in the article that the VAT percentage rate was "hardwired" in Opera II. That was not what the story says, but the way the article runs may have left that impression, so I am happy to pass on Kevin's assurance that the VAT code has always been editable within Opera and Opera II. He added that the VAT rate is stored within the database at the point of order creation, so the difficulty Pegasus and its users face - which is shared my most other applications - is that any amendments to this historical information will require users to be aware of and understand the HMRC guidance.

Links in the article point to summary guidance, more technical background and TaxZone's "how to" guide.

John Stokdyk
Technology editor

Guide to changing standard VAT codes in QuickBooks

Anonymous | | Permalink

Hi John,

To help businesses and accountants through this transition, we have published an FAQ section on our website including detailed guidelines on how to change the standard VAT rate in QuickBooks. Please see the FAQs section of our website.

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Useful round-up from SWAT

John Stokdyk | | Permalink

David Norris at SWAT has published a useful little guide to the advice coming from the main software houses:

In some cases - including many versions of Sage 50, users are warned that once the standard VAT rate has been changed, any invoices that are amended at a later date will recalculate VAT, leading to potential problems. Several QuickBooks users have also been discussing problems with VAT in the 2008 edition in Any Answers.

John Stokdyk
Technology editor

Flat Rate Caution

axw001 | | Permalink

A number of accounting packages, both online and PC installed, claim to support the Flat Rate VAT scheme.

If you are using such packages with your clients you should be aware that it is theoretically possible for a business to be subject to 3 separate flat rates during a single VAT period if their discounted period comes to an end during the period in which the VAT rate transitions.

For less mature products, or those not focussed on the needs of UK business, there is no support for flat rate and this won't be an issue, but for less robust software implementations of the Flat Rate scheme impacted users are likely to have to "revert to manual" if they are to file an accurate VAT return.

Needless to say, this is handled with no fuss in our product.

Alan Wright

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Accounting Software - Online from Liberty Accounts - Designed for UK business

Sage Guidance

MartinGatehouse | | Permalink

I have just spent most of the day on the telephone and email, advising clients using installed accounting systems on how to deal with the VAT rate change.

Sage Customer Support muddied the waters by issuing a blanket email instruction to add a new VAT code, and then retracting it the very next day by saying edit the existing one!

Xero on the other hand will automatically deliver a smooth transition to the new 15% VAT rate within the software, and explain the process to my clients on time, using the built in Dashboard alert system.

Sage Line 50 Orders - BE WARNED

Anonymous | | Permalink

We are a business that distributes only in January and August due to the nature of our product and we also in the position of that of an Opera II user that once the order is input the vat rate is stated.

After speaking with sage to discuss we were advised to firstly amend Sage to show the 15% vat rate then amend the orders to reflect this by manually amendments to each order.

As each of our orders have in excess of 100 lines and we have over 250 orders to process the time to do this would have taken one employee one whole week working exclusivly on this project. Would the governement pay for this ?

After further discussions with sage they suggested that we create a new account and amend the customer account initialy with this new one and then back to the original customer.

Now this does work to change the vat rate but be warned that all delivery address details are lost as it goes back to the default addresses and the is especially problematic where you have multiple orders to the same customer all with different delivery adresses

Therefore we have decided to process the orders in their original format and issue credit notes for the 2.5%