IRIS: Head in the Cloud, but feet on the ground

While Sage has tied itself in knots coming trying to develop offerings for the fast-growing web-based software without jeopardising the user base and profitability of its desktop accounting cash cows, IRIS took a much more straightforward approach by acquiring the Brighton-based Cloud developer PROJECTminder last year. AccountingWEB recently met IRIS Group marketing director David Pinches and the PROJECTminder team to find out how the acquisition was progressing within IRIS, and what impact it was likely to have on the company’s wider online applications strategy. According to Pinches, IRIS is still “at the research stage” of Cloud Computing. Group CEO Martin Leuw and his board have asked the different IRIS business units to build the Cloud into their three-year planning assumptions, but are letting them take an organic approach that responds to pace of each individual market sector. “We’re starting to see interest [in the Cloud] at various levels and in different markets such as legal outsourcing,” said Pinches. “But we also know that most people are clinging on to their current software investment for another year.” Initially the group considered establishing PROECTminder’s Brighton HQ as a centre of excellence for Cloud applications, but Pinches explained that web application development was taking place at other sites within the group. “Other IRIS products have their own roadmaps and will continue to pursue them. At this point, it’s more about knowledge sharing and getting learning from PROJECTminder into those projects.” The IRIS business model is increasingly focused on vertical markets such as accountancy, law, not for profit and medical practices. “Our intellectual property is knowledge of these sectors, not generic applications,” Pinches explained. “If we go to existing customers and say we’ve got a great project management/billing solution, they’ll say, ‘So what?’ If you show how it feeds into existing practice or charity finance systems to eliminate cost - that’s different. That’s when you start to get take up.” To build towards that kind of catalytic reaction, the IRIS divisions are undertaking in “classic product management research” in their markets and look for migration opportunities using PROJECTminder’s existing data import/export facilities. The web-based PROJECTminder application grew out of the building industry. Initially starting life as a time and billing tool for architectural practices, the application spread through other construction disciplines such as engineering and surveying. With IRIS’s backing, PROJECTminder was looking to expand into other project-focused sectors such as business consultancy and professional services including law and accountancy, explained PROJECTminder director Steve Penfold. The application itself is impressive, with six main modules and additional features such as a holiday planner and an “accountslink” facility that can code and output the project cost data to different nominal ledger systems. At the heart of the program is the time & fees module. As data is entered, it can then show real-time figures on expenditures and commitments and the invoicing system will generate bills from the same data. In addition to its Gantt charting and resourcing modules, where people can be assigned to projects and tasks on a visual chart, PROJECTminder also has its own forecasting module. One feature attracting interest from other IRIS development teams is an online dashboard facility that lets users create web-based “graphlets” from data held on Microsoft SQL Server 2008 systems. “Even though the database is somewhere else, they can still use the drag and drop Report Builder online,” explained Penfold.

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Does PR over-ride development ability

Anonymous | | Permalink

Obviously missing something here.

We seem to have a software house wanting to be on the Cloud/SaaS bandwagon by publicising a 'Cloud Strategy' but in the same article we are told that they have been unable to develop their own product '.. does anyone remember IRIS Accounts Office Online? ..'

They have therefore had to purchase their solution from someone else!

Excellent - so we now have a market place for software houses that cannot develop their own software; this has always been the case with desktop applications but now it's moving to SaaS

Surely those software houses who have developed their own web based software (most of the current SaaS offerings) have demonstrated far more credibility than one that has struggled with its own offering and then in the end had to acquire its solution from someone else.

How precisely does their business model differ from Sage when they both have the following attributes

  • Inability do the job themselves - both have failed SaaS entrants (for whatever reason)
  • Purchase/acquire others products to make up for their own (Sage buys customer revenue base as well)
  • Long on marketing/pr/advertising and potentially short on technical ability

Surely ability to be defined as credible boils down to more that the correct marketing tags - cloud computing, strategy, organic growth, catalytic reaction etc ....

See Dennis Howlett comments - ONLINE SOFTWARE REVIEW: IRIS Accounts Office Online. By Nigel Harris - http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/item/157922

A conduit for best practice?

Anonymous | | Permalink

1. How would any reader and/or Iris ProjectMinder summarise the pros and cons of Cloud v Client/Server?
2. As one firm of architects may do about things very differently from another, would Iris ProjectMinder like to share how they determine what is actually best practice. In our experience there is no panacea.

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What's wrong with that?

DuaneJAckson | | Permalink

With regards to the comments on credibility from the first anonymous commenter - what's wrong with buying in the expertise if they're not able to do it themselves? Surely that's the sensible thing to do. Developing for SaaS is a whole different kettle of fish than developing for the desktop - a difference that Sage failed to grasp when developing SageLive. So to me, it makes sense to buy in that experience.

I agree that it doesn't help IRIS's argument that they have a different strategy to Sage, but I'm not sure how that approach is a Bad Thing (nor am I certain that your'e even saying it is - so forgive the assumption)

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Lack of Integration with Cloud Applications

onesys | | Permalink

The business software world is changing at a rapid pace.

We find that a lack of integration between Cloud-based and Server-based applications stop companies from switching.

Until this issue / perceived issue is resolved, or companies switch to SaaS / Cloud computing for all their business applications, the bulk of the business software users will stick with traditional software.

We are the UK reseller for the ProjectMinder alternative Coretime, which was bought by Sage Ireland, rather than developed in-house.

Sage Coretime is available as an online-based / Cloud or server-based application but more than 80% of our customers still buy the traditional, server-based project accounting software because it integrates with their other software.

Trust and confidence in Cloud applications / service providers will play a big part in the choice businesses make. They may be more inclined to buy / rent from an established brand in the respective supplier market, than from a new entrant.

Therefore it may make sense for both the established brands and the new Cloud application developers to join forces.