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Accounting Web not refreshing the parts

Accounting Web not refreshing the parts other resources can reach

Have had a bit of a think about this over the last couple of days, the Portia ban being the catalyst,  conclusion,sorry, this site no longer does what I need.

Some thoughts:

I may be incorrect re this, but I think I remember that Portia has at least once won the Community Award on Accounting Web for her contributions over the previous year, so  to those on the other threads, she is not merely "A Contributor "  but something beyond that position, she is one of the pre eminent contributors despite (maybe because of) her bedside manner.

There are a lot of posters on Accounting Web (mainly called Anonymous these days) but frankly there are not that many from whom I, for one, learn that much; she was one of the exceptions.( Before the rest of you feel taken for granted, there are a few others but they are not as prolific.)

I was happy posting my experience for others where there  was a quid pro quo that others  would post for me, but I am not happy when one of the major learning resources is now no longer available;  Accounting Web should take note,there is no free lunch here, if I contribute I want a return on my time investment.

Accordingly it seems appropriate at this juncture  to ask what Accounting Web  does for my CPD , what is the point? I was happy to post for others when I was getting a reward, I am not happy posting when my reward has become so meagre.

Perhaps I should now , as others do, freeload on the knowledge of others, just sit, read, and not contribute; whilst I accept that over the last few years a lot of my comments have been flippant and frivolous, I think a few have imparted some knowledge to others, and as today I hit the round sum 2,500 thanks mark, it seems appropriate to bow out on a high.

Goodbye and thanks for all the fish

DJKL

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26th Sep 2017 11:10

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26th Sep 2017 11:16

:( :(

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26th Sep 2017 11:25

Hi DJKL, I think you echo what many of us have thought, over the last few; days, months, year or so.
PNL is a rare contributor on here and, although some come close to that particular members knowledge, the contributor is an exception. Genius often comes with temperament!
It's a sad day when a long standing member, such as yourself, takes a stand and decides that the forum is no longer for them. I've pretty much taken a similar view, since the weekend and, once again, it's a tragedy that we don't seem to be able to openly debate the topic properly with the Aweb editorial team. As Andy.Partridge would undoubtedly suggest, Sift really couldn't care less, in any case.
I've become sick and tired of some of the quite inane postings, on here recently and, certainly Tom Herbert is aware of my dislike of the opportunity to post anonymously.
Although no-one will miss me I think, like you, I'll watch from the sidelines for a while to see if the likes of John Stokdyk and, others, really do start to take notice.
John was fairly honest and outspoken at the start of the year, as regards what had gone before on the site but, with the greatest of respect, those words seem rather hollow, given the passage of time.
As JY (Jimmy Young) used to say, BFN (Bye for now)

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to Chris Mann
26th Sep 2017 11:28

Hope to see you again soon, but to coin a phrase it is time for change. A healthy one.

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By mrme89
to Chris Mann
26th Sep 2017 11:32

They won't give a toss.

Whilst you are lurking, they are still getting their clicks for the advertising revenue. You still help them generate revenue, but, as John Stokdyk would put it, without the 'moaning'.

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to Chris Mann
26th Sep 2017 23:10

Chris Mann wrote:

Hi DJKL, I think you echo what many of us have thought, over the last few; days, months, year or so.


Well said.
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26th Sep 2017 11:26

Good for you. Well thought out and communicated.

The challenge will be
a) to keep to your word (many are unable) and keep quiet and
b) not to come back as a new member, thereby giving the superficial appearance that you have managed a)

People here are easy to fool, but you can not fool yourself.

Wishing you the best of luck and thank you. I have certainly enjoyed your contributions over the years and will miss them.

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to andy.partridge
26th Sep 2017 13:04

b) Very true. Very true indeed

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By Tornado
26th Sep 2017 11:41

It is sad that you are 'leaving' as you have a down to earth view of the world and have shared with us a great deal of interesting information that will have been of use to many people.

As a relative newcomer this site perhaps I missed the one time brilliance of PNL, but all I saw was pompous and unhelpful replies in between the multiple bans. Perhaps something has changed and PNL is no longer the person he/she was, but I do know that one post went past an acceptable level of decency and clearly deserved a ban.

There is much wrong with this site which appears to be designed for the mobile phone era and throw away news which disappears from view after a few days, but I have counted at least 28 new enquiries on the 25th September and most of them have had replies, so there is still much help being given and information shared.

As long as we bear in mind that many articles on AWEB are commercial promotions, there is much to keep us up to date with changing trends in the profession and new regulations that we need to observe.

In this world of mass communication, we cannot monitor all sources of information so sticking to one source, such as AWEB makes sense, not necessarily as a definitive source of information but somewhere that provides indicators of what is important and where to look for more detailed information.

Good luck DJKL.

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to Tornado
28th Sep 2017 12:41

Tornado wrote:

Perhaps something has changed and PNL is no longer the person he/she was, but I do know that one post went past an acceptable level of decency and clearly deserved a ban.

Link please.

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to Portia Nina Levin
28th Sep 2017 13:07

Lazarus!

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to Portia Nina Levin
28th Sep 2017 13:28

I get knocked down,
But I get up again,
Nothin's gonna keep me down.

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By Tornado
to Portia Nina Levin
28th Sep 2017 14:04

No link for obvious and other reasons, but could you just answer one simple question -

Why do you do keep doing things that you know will get you banned?

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26th Sep 2017 11:51

:-( Don't go - you're one of the good ones!

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26th Sep 2017 12:11

Portia disappears and Steve Kesby resurfaces...

Coincidence?

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26th Sep 2017 12:12

Who will I consult with for future song rewrites?

(Also, the nerd in me forces me to say it's "So long and thanks for all the fish. :-) )

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26th Sep 2017 12:36

A well thought out OP and some equally thoughtful replies.

I concur with much of what has been said (both in the OP and the replies). You are indeed one of the good ones.

A bad week for AWeb and a sad week for its members.

The very best to you.

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26th Sep 2017 13:06

Is it really not surprising that those who offer succinct and to the point answers are fed up with the one way traffic. Whether a technical response, simple 'see an accountant', or no, the freeloader often takes offence, supported by 'fellow' freeloaders....who happened to join just 2 minutes ago.

Its sad that so many quality members leave or get 'struck off', and yet the silence from AWEB is deafening...hidden aware just simply ignoring the elephant in the room...

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26th Sep 2017 13:15

Hello DJKL

Please rethink about your decision.

In the end it is Sift's platform and we do NOT have the full picture of moderation. I, like many, am sad to see PNL been shown the door. I hope it is for a short period.

Even now, I continue to gain from AW. Leaving, I do not think, is the answer, unless a significant number of members leave. It will NOT happen. By nature, we are a selfish lot.

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26th Sep 2017 13:43

"There are a lot of posters on Accounting Web (mainly called Anonymous these days) ........"

What ??? Anonymous is not just one bloke with a lot of questions ???

Well, I'll miss the comedy posts, Donald. Keep in touch.

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By Briar
26th Sep 2017 15:11

Your contributions from a Scottish viewpoint will also be missed.

Come on Sift, let's have some action before you lose even more contributors and hence members.

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to Briar
26th Sep 2017 15:54

Sift does not care. It's a business, not a membership club or a community. They do the maths and the only equation they consider is clicks = cash

They also know that most of those who threaten to leave actually stay. Our pistol to their head has an empty chamber.

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By Ruddles
to andy.partridge
26th Sep 2017 15:59

Unfortunately "empty chamber" is exactly how I would describe the head of some of the questioners on AW (and indeed some of the respondents)

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to andy.partridge
26th Sep 2017 16:17

But with no contributions from PNL, DJKL or Chris Mann (forgive me if I missed another retirement), frankly (with absolutely no disrespect to those still speaking) there's gonna be a lot less to read and a lot more questions answered badly (but for PNL I would have gotten away with some real wrong'uns myself!) or not at all. My guess is that that will lead to fewer clicks.

The departure of these respected members (using that term advisedly - not every other member has to respect them for them to be respected) has caused a spike of interest (over 3,300 eyes now - nearly as many as PNL had thanks), but isn't there some old story about geese and eggs?

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By Ruddles
to Tax Dragon
26th Sep 2017 16:29

Tax Dragon wrote:
there's gonna be ... a lot more questions answered badly

It's started already ;¬)

https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/using-both-company-and-sole-...

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to Ruddles
26th Sep 2017 16:41

It hasn't started already at all as shown by the fact that you are here and answered. You would have had to resist answering for it to be true.

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By Tornado
to Tax Dragon
26th Sep 2017 16:36

In the case of PNL, the absence of any current input is that despite knowing, and presumably understanding the rules of the site, he/she deliberately carried out a series of actions that were going to get him/her banned on a number of separate occasions.

It is hard to understand why an intelligent person would do this when the cornerstone of our profession is to comply with rules and assist others to do the same.

Any ideas?

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to Tornado
26th Sep 2017 16:45

Do you not remember that Friday afternoon when PNL spent hours systematically deleting all his answers after a spat with Sift? That should tell you all you need to know.

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By mrme89
to andy.partridge
26th Sep 2017 16:48

It's hard to judge someone's actions when you do not know what was said between Sift / PNL.

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to mrme89
26th Sep 2017 16:58

Back in the day I had an experience where I requested that Sift delete my account andypartridge. They were reluctant but did it. In retrospect that was pretty stupid of me but it seemed important at the time.

There is no need for anyone to spend hours of their time manually deleting their history.

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By mrme89
to andy.partridge
26th Sep 2017 17:01

andy.partridge wrote:

Back in the day I had an experience where I requested that Sift delete my account andypartridge. They were reluctant but did it. In retrospect that was pretty stupid of me but it seemed important at the time.

There is no need for anyone to spend hours of their time manually deleting their history.

It is their content, and their personal choice to do so.

I appreciate that it is bad taste to do so, however.

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to mrme89
26th Sep 2017 17:28

Of course, I agree it is their choice. I was only commenting on Tornado's question about PNL's behaviour. The point being that PNL is a 'complex character' and has form for it. Yes, that's a euphemism. I don't say that disresepectfully or judgementally.

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to andy.partridge
26th Sep 2017 17:07

andy.partridge wrote:

Back in the day I had an experience where I requested that Sift delete my account andypartridge.


Whoa, whoa, whoa... what happened to
andy.partridge wrote:

b) not to come back as a new member, thereby giving the superficial appearance that you have managed a)

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to Tax Dragon
26th Sep 2017 17:33

Nice one.

But, I hope you can see see that re-registering as andy.partridge was not intended to mislead people into believing I was not andypartridge. On the contrary.

I would have re-registered as andypartridge but it was 'unavailable'. Presumably when Sift delete accounts (then, anyway) it still somehow registers as 'live' in their database.

Now stop it! Really!

Edit - My ancient spat with Sift has come back to me now thinking about it. It was in the days of our Welsh friend and I was getting PMs from the moderator of the day saying I was to blame for the problems he was causing. Red rag to a bull, that one.

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By Ruddles
to andy.partridge
26th Sep 2017 18:13

andy.partridge wrote:

Edit - My ancient spat with Sift has come back to me now thinking about it. It was in the days of our Welsh friend and I was getting PMs from the moderator of the day saying I was to blame for the problems he was causing. Red rag to a bull, that one.

Credit where credit's due. There has been at least one site improvement of note - I was advised that steps had been taken to prevent further intrusions by our 'friend' from the Valleys. I don't know what those steps were, but they appear to be working - so far.
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26th Sep 2017 16:32

The deeply technical stuff is an obvious advantage.

But so are

* the trivial stuff, like where to find a function on VT or Moneysoft
* opportunity to moan at the parlous nature of HMRC service
* For we who work on our own, the chance of a chat during the day.

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26th Sep 2017 23:04

Gutted to learn that Portia Nina Levin has been removed - but definately not forgotten! Totally understand your reasons for leaving. The contributors are what makes the site what it is.

The site is promoted as a place for tax and accounting professionals and thus when concerns are expressed over the quality of annoymous postings it is the responsibility of the organisers to take appropriate action. Unfortunately the annonymous posters also contribute to making the site what it is.

The site is no doubt fit for purpose in generating a revenue stream but one must question its fit for purpose in terms of its contributors.

When a site becomes available for tax and accounting professionals that is fit for purpose hopefully we can all meet up there. Until then, best regards.

Dave

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27th Sep 2017 07:45

The reason why PLN was removed would not, I'm sure, have been taken lightly. I have read a number of his/her threads that were rude, childish and did not contribute to the question asked. Indeed, when I read one particular nasty 'spat' a few months ago I am not ashamed to say that I complained to Tom who said that they had received a number of complaints, had asked PLN to restrict the bad language on more than one occasion but was apparently ignored.
I know for a fact that PLN has been suspended before, promised faithfully to curb his/her the language and when reinstated promptly stuck 2 fingers up at the mgt and carried on.
Yes... many of PLN's comments were interesting and helpful but many were not. I must echo Tornado's comment:
"all I saw was pompous and unhelpful replies in between the multiple bans."
Surely this final ban is proof that John and Tom are listening.
With regard to the CPD - you only have to look at Rebecca's latest article to find the value of Accweb. That is where the CPD is generated. Its easy to see which articles are "commercial promotions" and accept them for what they are but even so the majority have something of relevance to say.
Things changed around here when the site layout changed a couple of years ago. Its still difficult to find your way around proof of which being that the same questions keep being asked. I miss the 'opportunities' section but having complained at the time about the revamp there is nothing that can or will be done. Sift want all their sites to have the same layout. John and Tom's hands are tied. Its a template that cant be altered much although Tom does what he can.
I have noticed an increasing number of questioners who are obviously trying to get info for free rather paying to ask their accountants but this is not a members only site so cannot be stopped. I have also noticed that the number of questions asked has reduced overall.
So as with any website you need to pick and choose - read what interests you and try to ignore the rest.

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By mrme89
to JAADAMS
27th Sep 2017 08:43

JAADAMS wrote:

but having complained at the time about the revamp there is nothing that can or will be done. Sift want all their sites to have the same layout. John and Tom's hands are tied. Its a template that cant be altered much although Tom does what he can.
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Nobody from Sift has said the same. If that’s the case, Sift have fed the membership lies and empty promises for 18 months.

Continuing to say ‘improvements are on our list’ just fuels these posts when there haven’t been any changes.

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to JAADAMS
27th Sep 2017 09:58

I too would be confident that the banning if that is what has happened would be justified.

However I think there is the underlying problem that is not being addressed – the one of the anonymous posting of silly questions which contributors get upset at because it undermines the value of this site. Without those questions would we have the responses? But two "wrongs" does not make a "right."

If the site is meant to be for tax and accounting professionals then that is what it should be. It does not take too much thought to work out a better alternative. If the architecture of the site is inadequate; again….

My fear is that the “problem” is not acknowledged as a problem and thus by the time it is – it might be too late.

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27th Sep 2017 09:42

You will be missed - there's not enough Celts on here.

The craic isn't the same anymore.

It's a shame that we continue to lose what other sites would call MVPs.

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to Democratus
27th Sep 2017 10:00

Democratus wrote:

It's a shame that we continue to lose what other sites would call MVPs.


Agreed - site not fit for purpose?
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By Tornado
28th Sep 2017 14:09

Whilst I think we would all prefer to have DJKL around, at least we still have Irn-Bru. Sales have apparently soared in the South recently.

(Come back DJKL, you are needed!)

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