Annual Investment Allowance on disposed Assets

Annual Investment Allowance on disposed Assets

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Is AIA available on a qualifying asset that is purchased and disposed of in the same accounting period? I don't seem able to locate any suitable guidance.

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By Paula Sparrow
08th Sep 2012 10:55

Allowances due
But they are due because the difference between cost and disposal proceeds produces a balancing allowance. The question is probably academic, but if you have other purchases that us the aia in the year I cannot see how HMRC could stop you claiming the balancing allowance as well

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By User deleted
08th Sep 2012 14:37

Balancing allowance?

Please expand

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By scalloway
09th Sep 2012 19:10

Balancing Allowance

The difference between the WDV of an asset and the sum realised when the sale price is less than the WDV. It is set against profits as part of Capital Allowance claimed.

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By User deleted
09th Sep 2012 20:20

I know exactly ...

... how a balancing allowance is calculated. Just intrigued as to the apparent misunderstanding of the circumstances in which a balancing allowance arises. Generally speaking, disposal proceeds are deducted from the pool of qualifying expenditure - no balancing allowance arises until cessation of trade. There are of course special rules in respect of expensive cars, short-life assets etc

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By Steve Kesby
09th Sep 2012 20:26

Hmmm

I changed my mind!

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By Paula Sparrow
10th Sep 2012 13:40

Duh! Schoolboy error

BKD wrote:

- no balancing allowance arises until cessation of trade. There are of course special rules in respect of expensive cars, short-life assets etc

Note to self...Don't do posts on Accountingweb the morning after the night before!

 

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By robbieb666
10th Sep 2012 08:12

No answer

Thanks for the comments but none of these actually answer my original question.

I am of the opinion that  they are available where as some of my colleagues dont think they are as they follow the old FYA rules??

 

 

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By User deleted
10th Sep 2012 09:17

The answer ...

... is yes

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By User deleted
10th Sep 2012 13:55

@Paula

Even more importantly, don't do posts on Accountingweb the night before! I've made that mistake on more than one occasion only to be appalled at the gibberish and mis-information the following morning

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By thomas34
10th Sep 2012 17:00

AIA/Disposal

AIA is available on the acquisition subject to the asset qualifying and the annual limits. This brings the pool back to its written down value before the specific acquisition. The disposal proceeds are deducted from this written down value. If the answer is positive, WDAs are available. If the answer is negative, a balancing charge arises and the pool goes back to zero.

Balancing allowances are only relevant on the cessation of a trade or where there is a separate pool for whatever reason.

 

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By robbieb666
10th Sep 2012 19:24

thanks Thomas

Do you know the legislation that allows this so that i can prove it to me colleagues (Partners specifically) as i would like to prove them wrong :-)

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By User deleted
10th Sep 2012 20:34

Prove a negative?

You won't find any such legislation - what you need to do is ask your partners to cite the legislation that says AIA would not be allowable. Again, they won't find it - because it doesn't exist.

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By ACDWebb
11th Sep 2012 06:35

Thinking aloud after a night of little sleep

could you not add it to a short life pool to avoid the general pool "problem" and claim the BA?

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By User deleted
11th Sep 2012 08:20

SLA

ACDWebb wrote:

could you not add it to a short life pool to avoid the general pool "problem" and claim the BA?

Yes, but given that the question was about claiming AIA, how would that help?

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By ACDWebb
11th Sep 2012 10:29

@BKD

BKD wrote:

ACDWebb wrote:

could you not add it to a short life pool to avoid the general pool "problem" and claim the BA?

Yes, but given that the question was about claiming AIA, how would that help?

It would save the AIA for something else by getting a full deduction as a BA was my lateral, and rather sleep deprived thought
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By thomas34
11th Sep 2012 09:35

Legislation

I'm not sure that specific legislation is relevant or needed. We've had allowances against current year profits for new acquisitions for a long time now. They've varied between 40%, 50% and now 100%. Statistically balancing charges used to be unusual since there was invariably something in the pool.

The position is further skewed by the facility to write off pools of less than £1,000.

I think we'd all be curious as to how your partners wish to deal with the matter?!

 

 

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