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Are Fire Marshall payments taxable?

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I understand that the training courses for Fire Marshalls and First Aiders are exempt from tax but if employees are paid an extra £10 per month for these positions, should I deduct income tax and NI?

I have checked HMRC's guidance and I think I should, but the previous payroll company has not deducted any tax or NI from these monthly payments in the past so I am looking for advice.

Thank you 

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By Anonymous.
17th Oct 2020 17:14

I vote yes. Can't recall any such relief being available.

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By Paul Crowley
17th Oct 2020 17:18

New one on me
Sounds like the rubbish used in clubs
Not taxable because it is a gratuity not wages

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By Tax Dragon
17th Oct 2020 17:28

Just to clarify, as your continued use of shorthand does muddy what you say... when you say "Not taxable because it is a gratuity not wages", is that your answer to the OP? (I'm pretty sure I've learned your shorthand well enough by now to be able to answer my own question, but the OP might not've.)

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By Paul Crowley
17th Oct 2020 17:38

For OP
You need to find a reason for it not to be taxable
The word gratuity is not that reason

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By Tax Dragon
17th Oct 2020 17:57

Mum taught me the saying "any and all salaries, fees, wages, perquisites and profits whatsoever". Or something like that. I'm not even sure what all those words mean. Or where Mum got them from. But I'd've thought payment for providing a service at work would be included.

Subject, as you say, to specific exemption.

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By lionofludesch
18th Oct 2020 16:39

Having an exemption for a safety training course is not the same as getting paid for having the qualification.

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By Tax Dragon
18th Oct 2020 17:18

It's interesting if there needs to be an exemption for being sent on such a course. I mean, as some folk might ask, where's the benefit [that needs exempting]?

Sorry OP, this has nothing to do with your question. A debate from another thread is starting to creep over into this discussion. Your question has been answered in full IMO - the default is the payments are taxable, so absent something that changes that (which something noone has yet managed to point out), taxable they remain. Feel free to ignore what, if anything, follows hereafter.

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By lionofludesch
18th Oct 2020 17:21

Tax Dragon wrote:

It's interesting if there needs to be an exemption for being sent on such a course. I mean, as some folk might ask, where's the benefit [that needs exempting]?

Is it specifically Fire Marshalling ?

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By Tax Dragon
18th Oct 2020 18:51

To which my question applies you mean? Doubt it in general, but I assumed fire marshalling was what you were talking about here, so in context, I guess... yes.

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By SXGuy
18th Oct 2020 18:17

Silly me read the question too quickly and thought it was about taxable fire marshmellowing, which has now made me hungry.

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