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Late client furlough application

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Client was dealing with furlough claim.Just found out that they still haven’t signed up for claims  April to June.

Can I help by signing up on agent account and making on their behalf or is it too late.

Many thanks,

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By Matrix
17th Jun 2020 17:25

Provided the employees were furloughed and the criteria for CJRS was met, you have until 31 July to make the claim for the period up to 30 June.

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By Lass
17th Jun 2020 17:31

That’s good news.Yes they were.The client had difficulty signing up and then suffered lots of hanging on to HMRC helplines.....................Many thanks!

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By Matrix
17th Jun 2020 17:33

Was the difficulty setting up the HMRC online account? You don’t sign up, you just apply through the account. If you are set up as agent then you can readily do it through your account.

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By Lass
17th Jun 2020 19:38

Thanks again.I am file only so client decided to do it themselves.I have an agent account so will seek to authorise client and submit by 30th June.Again, many thanks!

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By Wilson Philips
17th Jun 2020 17:45

I have been advised - here and elsewhere - that claims for periods prior to 1 June need to be made by 30 June. A further claim for the period to 30 June can then be made by 31 July. I'm not sure how correct that advice is but I'm not taking any chances - clients that were going to wait until July to make a single claim have been advised to get a claim in by 30 June just in case.

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By Matrix
17th Jun 2020 17:48

Well all my clients get their money by pay day so not an issue but I did read the 31 July deadline somewhere even though all mine will be in by 30 June. It is up to any adviser to check it out if you think there is a risk.

Found it: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/changes-to-the-coronavirus-jo...

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By Paul Crowley
18th Jun 2020 04:49

I heard that as well but no recollection where from. Probably BBC. I recon the commentator did not understand the no breeching months rule, and interpolated backwards

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By Matrix
18th Jun 2020 08:53

You are both thinking of the date of the end of the first scheme which is 30 June.

I made all my claims this morning and it says the following on the first page:

"The Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme closes to new entrants on 30 June. To make a claim, the employer must have furloughed employees for 3 consecutive weeks before 30 June.

This means that the final date by which an employer can furlough an employee for the first time will be 10 June, in order for the current 3 week furlough period to be completed by 30 June. Employers will have until 31 July to make any claims that fall in the period of 1st March to 30 June."

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By Wilson Philips
19th Jun 2020 15:00

We are all aware of that I think. When I first read the guidance I took the view, and still do, that it should be OK to make a claim for, in our case, the period 1 April to 30 June by 31 July. Some commentators have interpreted the new rules (re overlapping months) - correctly or incorrectly - as meaning that any claims submitted after 30 June (JRS1 or JRS2) must only be for single months, meaning that any claims up to 31 May need to be in by 30 June. I have absolutely no interest in trying to establish whether that interpretation is correct or not - I'm simply not taking the chance.

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By MJShone
18th Jun 2020 09:15

In an article on Aweb on 2 June, Kate Upcraft said "Some employers have put off making any CJRS claims, particularly those with close to 100 employees on furlough...Those reluctant employers need to make their CJRS claims now because no new employers (as well as employees) will be admitted to the new CJRS scheme from 1 July. The CJRS claim needs to be made in June and backdated to mid-March...An employer who has already made a claim will be able to make their final claim for any period up to 30 June 2020 by 31 July..."

I don't know if that still stands following the guidance issued on 12 June.

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By ianthetaxman
19th Jun 2020 14:41

For the avoidance of doubt, can I clarify something. If an employer has staff who he hasn't paid since let say the end of April (because the business had to shut it's doors), but also hasn't got a furlough letter signed since they last got paid, I was led to believe that the employer still has a legal obligation to pay the employees their wages for this period under contract law, until such time they have gone through the furlough process.

Or, to put it another way, they cannot today make a backdated furlough claim from 1 May to date if they don't have the correct furlough letters signed as on 1 May.

This is a pub, where for some reason a couple of the staff were not provided with the appropriate letters to sign at the right time, and since the end of April haven't worked or been paid anything. The employer put them on furlough from approximately mid May, but for around 6 weeks they've not been paid but were not furloughed.

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By Wilson Philips
19th Jun 2020 15:05

I would say that the furlough process has sod all to do with the obligation to pay the staff their wages (other than the requirement for staff to be paid at least the amount of any claim). If the staff have not been properly furloughed, no claim.

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