armageddon

is the world as we know it on the brink

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we await the biggest financial bail out of modern times, it is not days away but hours away. Capitalism will never be the same again. what will we do next?

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By lionofludesch
17th Mar 2020 14:05

Jack up taxes by the sound of it.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
17th Mar 2020 14:42

There is always the pub.

Hang on a minute.........

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By lionofludesch
17th Mar 2020 14:57

ireallyshouldknowthisbut wrote:

There is always the pub.

Hang on a minute.........

Beer.

The next panic buy on the list.

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By lionofludesch
17th Mar 2020 15:24

Apparently, you can now rent a Spanish dog to take for a walk.

€50 is the going rate.

Always a quick euro to be made.

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By Bob Loblaw
17th Mar 2020 15:33

What will we do next? Just get on with it and hope for the best. What else can you do.

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By SteveHa
17th Mar 2020 15:49

Get on with what? Take the media and Governmental spin off things, and look through to the facts, and it's not even a fraction as bad as they would have us believe.

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By Matrix
17th Mar 2020 16:19

End of the snowflake generation maybe? If there are any positives...

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By lionofludesch
17th Mar 2020 16:50

Matrix wrote:

End of the snowflake generation maybe? If there are any positives...

Interestingly, the Spanish flu had spikes for the very young, the very old (both expected) - and folk aged 25-34.

Nobody has been able to explain that.

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By Matrix
17th Mar 2020 16:56

Strange and scary.

I didn’t mean killing them off, moreover that they start to appreciate health and family and the important things in life over gadgets and material goods so the all about me culture subsides.

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By Constantly Confused
18th Mar 2020 08:07

Matrix wrote:

Strange and scary.

I didn’t mean killing them off, moreover that they start to appreciate health and family and the important things in life over gadgets and material goods so the all about me culture subsides.

Matrix, you know I love you, but I strongly disagree. If I'm forced to self isolate I will be parking my rear on the sofa and watching Netflix, with ocassional breaks to play games on my iPad, laptop, Switch and Xbox. Basically my period of isolation will increase my technological reliance about 10 fold.

Ok so I'll read books too and may even talk to my spouse, but the youngsters are unlikely to see this as an opportunity to bond with the Booomers.

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By Bob Loblaw
18th Mar 2020 09:02

Emanating some real 'Old man yells at cloud' vibes here.

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By Matrix
18th Mar 2020 14:17

Bob Loblaw wrote:

Emanating some real 'Old man yells at cloud' vibes here.

Your assumptions could not be further from the truth Bob ;)

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By Bob Loblaw
17th Mar 2020 16:53

Funny how those who band about the term 'snowflake' tend to be some of the most perpetually offended people in existence. Do you find yourself getting hot under the collar and foaming with impotent rage a lot, Matrix?

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By Matrix
17th Mar 2020 17:00

I actually used the term since I had seen it used, I explain it more above.

Hopefully we will realise the important things in life so will all benefit, not just the younger generation. I sometimes get annoyed on here and was cross with a client who texted at the weekend. Ask me after a month’s isolation with the family....

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By Lone_Wolf
17th Mar 2020 17:04

Matrix wrote:
Ask me after a month’s isolation with the family....

Have you seen The Shining?
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By Payroll Pete
17th Mar 2020 22:02

Months together, with no distractions, no sport, no football, no betting.
Divorces will spike.
And at the the other end of the scale, births will spike in 9 months.

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By Lone_Wolf
17th Mar 2020 17:03

Which generation raised this "snowflake" generation?

Perhaps they are a large part to blame for the problems you perceive.

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By Justin Bryant
17th Mar 2020 17:33

Donald Trump will stop at nothing to support the US Stock Market, so I wouldn't worry too much. Don't forget, the US$ is the global currency and the US Treasury can print as many as it needs (and it appears to be doing so rapidly).

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By Justin Bryant
25th Mar 2020 11:15
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By lionofludesch
25th Mar 2020 11:37

It'll all be over by Easter. He said so last week.

"The churches will be full", he said.

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By whitevanman
17th Mar 2020 19:37

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By whitevanman
17th Mar 2020 18:07

I suspect that many (most?) people would consider it appropriate to provide financial support to businesses in this time of need. Now if only we can get them to understand that this is only possible if taxes are paid by ALL, we might see the end of dodgy avoidance. But no, I have obviously been self-isolated for too long and am out of touch with the community!

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By Lone_Wolf
17th Mar 2020 20:08

In fairness, that message needs duplicated and more.

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By memyself-eye
17th Mar 2020 18:53

Brink? Oh dear, just returned from the pub.
Yes - in defiance of Boris's missives.
Will go there tomorrow if it's open.

Which it will be.

For now.

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By NH
18th Mar 2020 06:10

And there you go right there, the reason why the virus is spreading so quickly - Governments suggest you stay at home as much as possible and not go out to the pub for both your own protection and more importantly the protection of others, whereas you say "if its open I'll go anyway"
I had a similar conversation with an elderly relative yesterday who told me she was self isolating as per the advice and then told me that her and her 76 year old friend were going out tomorrow to spend some time with another 86 year old friend who has very fragile health anyway.
The message is clearly not getting through, expect more draconian measures to be imposed

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By Paul D Utherone
18th Mar 2020 09:51

Well not go on holiday planned at the end of the week, that's cancelled, so back to the plot, but from home I suppose :(

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By bernard michael
18th Mar 2020 13:49

If we all get it and some die the rest should be immune - problem solved

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By justsotax
18th Mar 2020 14:01

I think that was the original plan until they realised it was going to be more than just 'some'.

As for problem solving.....I haven't yet seen any evidence.....welsh schools closing Friday - guess what Boris will say tonight.....he and his advisers are so behind the curve they are currently sitting on a line....

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By Constantly Confused
19th Mar 2020 09:12

bernard michael wrote:

If we all get it and some die the rest should be immune - problem solved

Reminds me of a philosophy question in my 'Big Book of Moral Quandries' which had a group about to be subject to a virus sweeping the country. 25% of people would die from it, unless the whole population was vaccinated. But the vaccine would kill 10% of the people, regardless of whether they had a natural immunity. And if not everyone took the vaccine the virus would mutate and the survivors would face a new similar virus that would kill 24% and so on.

Personally I'd vaccinate everyone at gunpoint, put I also push fat men off bridges and force comatose people to be impromptu dialysis machines so...

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By Red Leader
19th Mar 2020 11:40

Oh you big softy you!

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By lionofludesch
19th Mar 2020 11:52

So just a rant, then ........

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By Caber Feidh
21st Mar 2020 03:24

In response to Constantly Confused's approach to the trolley problem in moral philosophy: "... I also push fat men off bridges ... "

As a scientist I could never understand how the philosophers expected a fat man's body to stop a runaway trolley - his fat, sqishy body would not do so and it would all be very messy.

However, if you persuaded him to lean his weight against the supports of the bridge and push the bridge into the path of the runaway trolley then that would stop the trolley and no one would die.

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By carnmores
18th Mar 2020 22:41

we are all woke now

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By Constantly Confused
19th Mar 2020 09:04

carnmores wrote:

we are all woke now

I am become Woke, destroyer of Snowflakes.

We are all sons of Boomers now.

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By Lone_Wolf
19th Mar 2020 01:26

"You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other."

Seems the Joker called it. :0

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By matchmade
20th Mar 2020 11:31

I think capitalism is fine, and the economy will recover, and eventually QE will be unwound and interest rates restored to a more normal level, even if takes 10-20 years. In the short term I will keep working, reduce my social contacts substantially, and unless ordered otherwise by government edict, in June my family is still planning to go on a planned beach holiday in Lyme Regis: by car, to a self-catering rental flat which will have been deep-cleaned, and we will avoid pubs, restaurants, and keep the approved distances from other people as far as possible - essentially, with the same behaviour as at home but relocated for a rest and change of scene.

My worry is that the current policy of short-term isolation, which the UK government has now also adopted, may not work. There may be zero new cases now in Wuhan, and eventually this may happen in Europe and the UK, but without a vaccine or anti-virals, what happens when normal life resumes?

Since so many people still lack immunity, you can lock them up all you wish now, but eventually we will have to come out again, and the virus could easily re-emerge a few weeks later or in the autumn, or mutate (there are already 2 strains in circulation) and we will all be running around like headless chickens again. Or perhaps we will find a workable treatment and as more and more people are treated or catch it and recover, the virus will become part of the normal range of annual influenza infections, albeit a nasty version. However the current policy of self-isolation and hoping the virus will just burn itself out (through lack of transmission options and then never come back) will be very lucky if it succeeds.

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