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Calculations CJRS Variable Hours Beggars Belief

Interpretaion of how to calculate

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Having spent the last 7 Months working on Variable hours and the ensuing complications + reading all the comments on AW I though this may amuse.

Friend works for a very large organisation. She wondered how her Furlough was calculated as she was receiving far more than she thought. She has now found out why. There are a "group of employees".  The hours have all being totalised and averaged out - as a group - not inndividually. So they are all getting the same. Some less than they should and some more.

And here we are. Little payroll providers petrified to the penny we are calculating this correctly. I may not have achieved 100% - especially in that first month but at least my intemtions have been right and I understand the legislation.

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By lionofludesch
26th Oct 2020 18:52

Not me.

I said months ago that I'd do my best and if HMRC want to pop round and check, they can work it out and if the difference is bigger than my fee for disputing it, we'll talk.

Having said that, I'm confident I've done OK.

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By NYB
26th Oct 2020 19:16

Remember that and am with you. If they want to pour resources t0 check my workings they so can do. I am confidant that i have done my best. Im not sure that they would actually know how to apply the rules. We would probably end up telling them.

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By lionofludesch
26th Oct 2020 19:29

They'd struggle to remember which set of rules applied at the time.

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By Barbara G
26th Oct 2020 19:46

Same here. I used to get stressed out but now I'm fed up with it and, although I may have made mistakes unknowingly, I have done my best. If HMRC want to check, I'll welcome them into my office, hand them all the paperwork crammed into files, and ask them politely to lock the door and set the alarm on the way out while disappear off home.

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By Barbara G
26th Oct 2020 19:58

In the days when we had to rectify overclaims by phone, I actually had to explain step by step to the HMRC guy on the CJRS helpline how to do it, because he'd no idea. lol. He followed my instructions as I listened to him open and sip away at his fizzy drink on the other end of the phone. Professionals eh?

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By Paul Crowley
26th Oct 2020 19:28

We all did our best

Others did not
HMRC have no idea how much time spent and never will.

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By tom123
27th Oct 2020 09:22

Thankfully I only had our 'own' payroll to do.

Am I certain that if some armchair general, with no time pressure, and 2020 hindsight re-did all the spreadsheets they wouldn't be different by a few 10s of £, no.

Am I unduly concerned about that fact - no.

We did what we could, devoting enough time within reason, along with trying to keep the lights on.

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By lionofludesch
27th Oct 2020 10:15

tom123 wrote:

We did what we could, devoting enough time within reason, along with trying to keep the lights on.

Jaysus, Tom - power cuts as well ? Life really threw everything at you this year.

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By tom123
27th Oct 2020 10:19

There is a diesel generator in my car park as we speak!

(for other electrical requirements though..)

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By yelsnew
27th Oct 2020 11:06

Thanks for this, I had a gut feeling that big payroll providers would not have the luxury to pour though prior year records to check same earnings and hours in the previous calendar period, especially for weeklies and wondered how they would fudge it.

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By JHC
27th Oct 2020 19:46

Thank you for the smiles you have given me when reading these replies. I needed that, just like I'm sure many of you do too. Having attended a fair few webinars, thinking we'd be given answers on those situations which aren't quite clear, it is apparent from some of the questions asked that many employers have not understood the guidance at all, (I assume many of the attendees were small company's doing their own payrolls) Especially in the period when we had to consider Nic Ers and pension rebates.

Like others I think we probably got some wrong, particularly with variable pay employees, but we did what we thought was reasonable.

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