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Can I find out what CIS has been deducted?

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I've a client who's a tradesman and he's left his tax return till the last minute, as per. It appears he's subcontracted all over the place and has no records of where, when or how much he's earned. I'm not going to ring HMRC as I can't be arsed being lectured to and yes I'm aware and have told him its his responsibility to keep records etc. 

I suspect there isnt, but is anyone aware if its possible to find this infomration in her personal tax account how much CIS has been deducted as source? I've had a look and cant find anything so grasping at straws.

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By AWeb72
24th Jan 2020 12:54

No unfortunately not. And HMRC won't give the figures even if you do ring.

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By K81
24th Jan 2020 12:58

HMRC will write to your client with the information but your client needs to tell them every contractor they worked for first & I can only imagine how long it will take to send the information out.

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By rob winder
24th Jan 2020 13:45

The other thing that occurred to me is that you may as well invite them to come and carry out a compliance visit as you clearly have no idea what you are doing.

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By legerman
25th Jan 2020 09:03

K81 wrote:

HMRC will write to your client with the information but your client needs to tell them every contractor they worked for first & I can only imagine how long it will take to send the information out.

The subby doesn't need to know who s/he worked for. If s/he writes in they will provide a breakdown of contractors and amounts for the years requested.

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By frankfx
24th Jan 2020 15:06

Reality check.

Was he paid in cash, notes.?

Or were monies paid directly into bank.

If he can not be bothered to list the contractors names along with dates worked you could mirror his attitude.

Clearly no telephone numbers or email addresses captured ? !

Begs a question

What information does he have at today's date 24th January 2020, in respect of the current year?

A similar mess?

Deja vu January 2019, when the 2018 Return was being concocted.

Let him stew.

I am sure you are simmering.

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By rob winder
24th Jan 2020 15:29

I've 5 returns left to do, 4 of them are tradesmen, the 5th is a civil servant. You are correct though, its the same every year. I wont be working any additional hours to complete their returns though. Next Friday I will be shutting the doors at midday and heading for the annual skinful at Newcastle quayside regardless.

This year I will not be taking on white van man clients.

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By lionofludesch
24th Jan 2020 15:40

I've said this before but the CIS is a disgrace.

HMRC have got your money but they won't say how much.

How can subcontractors be expected to make timeous challenges to amounts deducted from their pay ?

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By SteLacca
24th Jan 2020 16:08

In response to AWeb72 and K81, how long ago since you requested CIS information?

I've contacted HMRC regarding two separate clients in recent weeks to request details of CIS deductions reported via CIS300s. I haven't had to provide details of the contractors, and on both occasions, HMRC have collated and sent the information.

I don't ring the general numbers or ADL, though. I'm pretty sure I went to the CIS helpline on both occasions.

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By AWeb72
24th Jan 2020 19:10

It was some time ago for me, when I used to work for somebody else and they weren't bothered what sort of client they took on.
The few subbies I have are well-behaved ones and keep everything!

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By Open all hours
24th Jan 2020 19:11

The attitude prevalent throughout HMRC simply stinks.
Yes the taxpayer should keep records.
Yes the agent should seek the truth by whatever legal means.
Yes HMRC have better things to do.
BUT
It should be possible for HMRC to help the taxpayer pay the correct amount of tax.
It should be mandatory for HMRC to provide timely written schedules of the information requested. (PAYE and CIS especially)
These schedules should go to the agent.
It would not be unreasonable for HMRC to charge £5 per document replaced. (P60 details on a premium rate phone line cuts the cost of administering the fee?)

Discuss

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By lincolnartist
25th Jan 2020 05:38

It would be good if it was available through the API we now use to see PAYE information (well, some of the time!)

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By rob winder
25th Jan 2020 09:58

You would have thought that would be the case. In the spirit of MTD to make sure things are done correctly first time, you would think they would try and make things easier. Ahhh, I forgot they are only really interested in getting as much money in as possible not paying it out.

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By NH
27th Jan 2020 07:05

The API? what a joke, we had one this week, a 2 Director company each Director with exactly the same salary filed through RTI exactly the same way - one of them shows the data the other shows nothing - how has this not been sorted out already?

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By lionofludesch
25th Jan 2020 10:00

Someone else is paying the subbie's money into a "bank" run by HMRC.

Why can't HMRC issue a statement of the subbie's account as a matter of course?

Sure, that would have been a bit of an imposition 25 years ago when it would've had to be by post. But now we have tinterweb. A subbie - or his agent - should be able to go online and see every single itemised payment made on his behalf.

Pie in the sky ? Frankly, it's far more realistic than having subbies take photos of their invoices and uploading them accurately into their accounts using the non-existent free app.

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By legerman
25th Jan 2020 08:59

When I contacted HMRC last year they said the client has to write in to get the info. The address was

PT Operations North East England
HM Revenue and Customs
BX9 1AN

If you can get the info you need from CIS helpline all the better.

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