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I have been approached by a potential client that is a CASC, as they need to file a corporation tax return. To do this I need to file the CT return with an IXBRL set of accounts.  I currently use Sage CT and Accounts Prodcution Standard. CT has the facility to file CASC CT returns but Accounts Prodcution Standard doesnt produce CASC accounts. It won't be cost effective to take a subscription for Accounts Production Advanced, which can produce CASC accounts, as this will be more than the fee. 

Does anyone have a solution to get around this problem or can anyone recomend a piece of software that will produce IXBRL accounts and file a CT reurn for a CASC?  

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By Mr_awol
05th Jan 2018 11:08

Now I'm worried.

I have a client Limited by Guarantee whi joined the CASC scheme and ive never done any 'special' accounts for them - just attached the normal iXBRL accounts to the comp. There are a few additional manual workings now they have joined CASC but no special 'CASC accounts'.

Sounds like one of us is in the wrong - and I would be a lot more confident that is was you if you hadn't mentioned a program that prepares 'CASC accounts', since that suggests they might well exist!

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By rob winder
05th Jan 2018 11:19

To put your mind at ease we are both correct. My potential client isn't incorporated so I cant send a limited company iXBRL, hence my problem with Sage Accounts Standard which cant produce iXBRL accounts for unincorporated entities.

They are in the process of incorporation which will make life easier going forward as my software can produce iXBRL accounts for incorporated business.

After spending a bit of time looking at various options VT Accounts can produce iXBRL accounts for an unincorporated CASC at a reasonable price

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By Mr_awol
08th Jan 2018 11:19

Thanks - I did later think of an unincorporated CASC but at the time of my reply my head was in 'oh [***] I've never heard of special CASC accounts despite having a client they might apply to' mode.................

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By caleycasual
05th Jan 2018 14:01
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By rob winder
05th Jan 2018 14:42

Thanks for that. I'm not sure that you need to file ixbrl accounts for a casc. I looked at HMRCs website yesterday and it gives conflicting versions of what does and doesn't need to be done (as per). Earlier articles in age stated you could attach a set off accounts that balanced in a PDF format but later links indicated, but didn't definitively say, you need to file an ixbrl set of accounts. I tried to ring them yesterday but no one answered the phone, presumably they were sick of calls about the gateway being down.

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By rob winder
05th Jan 2018 15:09

Finally managed to get through to HMRC and you do need to attach an ixbrl set of accounts. Going back a few years you could attach a PDF but this is no longer the case.

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By caleycasual
05th Jan 2018 15:59

I'd get a second opinion. I've never filed ixbrl accounts for any of my casc clients and HMRC have never rejected them.

The document I linked to above clearly states that a casc can file pdf accounts.

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By rob winder
08th Jan 2018 14:03

Spoken to HMRC twice now and told both times they have to be ixbrl.

I mentioned the document in your link and the response was that it was published in 2012 and is now out of date.

Thanks for the reply though and if it works for you why change it. I have found a cost free way to produce a set of ixbrl accounts which is the way I will be going.

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By lionofludesch
08th Jan 2018 14:42

rob winder wrote:

Spoken to HMRC twice now and told both times they have to be ixbrl.

I'm not sure you should rely on stuff HMRC tell you over the phone.

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By DMGbus
08th Jan 2018 20:27

The most information that I have seen from HMRC regarding iXBRL and the banning of .pdf attachments is the following text contained in Agent Update 62, November 2017.

Here is what HMRC say:
" Corporation Tax
Company Tax returns - online filing requirements
Since 2011 it has been mandatory to file virtually all Company Tax returns online using Extensible Business Reporting Language (XBRL) tags for accounts and tax
computations. The majority of returns that HMRC receives are in the correct format but a significant number are still not.
From 1 November 2017, HMRC will now reject all returns with accounts or tax computations that are not in inline Extensible Business Reporting Language (iXBRL) format unless the directions under SI 2003/282 allow otherwise or a dispensation by HMRC has been granted. We will ask you to re-file them in iXBRL, and if a return is not re-filed by the normal filing date, a late filing penalty may be considered.
To help us process your returns quickly please do not include a covering letter or duplicate information in PDF that is already in your iXBRL documents. However it is important that where you have additional information you need to send us, for example a loss carry-back claim, you continue to send these to us as a PDF attachment.
You can find more information on using XBRL and the correct format to use on the GOV.UK webpage Corporation Tax online filing and electronic payment.
And Company Tax returns: format for accounts forming part of an online return which details who must submit accounts in XBRL format and who can choose to submit them as a PDF. "

Note the reference to "who can choose to submit them as .pdf" The link leads me to guidance of March 2012 which still refers to the acceptance of .pdf as opposed to iXBRL attachments:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/company-tax-returns-format-fo...

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/fil...

So, November 2017 guidance (Agent Update 62) points us to March 2012 guidance that states that in some circumstances .pdf attachments are acceptable, but apparently HMRC helpline says that the guidance (2012) is out of date.

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