Cheating in ICAEW Pathway Membership

What is considered cheating in ICAEW Pathway Membership exam?

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I am not an accountant. However, I helped an accountant in editing and providing case studies in his pathway membership exam. I was not aware where such information is going to be used.

Later our friendship spoiled, and he started awkwardly due to some business issues. I now found out that he has become a member of ICAEW. I highly suspect that all my help was used to getting the membership. I have the full records of the case studies etc. Just wondering if I complained to ICAEW what would be actions against him based on the evidence I provide.  Would he be disqualified? Would he be trial for cheating?

I want to give him a lesson for his selfishness and for his taking advantage of other people innocence.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
02nd Mar 2020 17:46

You sound like a lovely person.

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By Mr_awol
02nd Mar 2020 17:52

You may or may not be able to get your former friend into trouble. However, if you aren't an accountant, and he is an ICAEW member, then i'd suggest he has demonstrated more knowledge at some time in his career than that which you helped him to falsify. He must have passed a few exams somewhere down the line as well.

Move on. Life is too short. Any energy you put into this bitter revenge ploy is probably wasted in the grand scheme of things.

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By Jomi1
02nd Mar 2020 18:09

Thanks. This is the voice I always hear from my heart. Thanks for saying it aloud. Yes, he is ACA, FCCA. I am also running a consulting firm. I have his email correspondence. Where he was asking for help. I have tracked changed his work as well. The only reason I am doing this is not to satisfy my inner feeling, but I was hearing from him all the time how was he treating his clients. Most of his clients were uneducated and shopkeepers. He tried his best to exploit them. I can realise and feel now once as I am now out of his so-called friendship spell now. At least this will give him some lessons if he is a sensible person.

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By Jomi1
02nd Mar 2020 18:01

Ok let me add more here. He was my accountant as well. I was paying for his services on a monthly basis. But I never charged him a single penny for my service- from setting his website, IT service and even helping in the ICAEW exam. On my back, he tried everything to create issues for me. Wrong advice, wrong account submission etc. I still do not know why he was doing that. I considered him as my friend and probably he considered me as a cash cow may be. Or maybe I looked stupid to him as I was unable to understand how a true friend looks like.

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By DJKL
02nd Mar 2020 18:30

Deleted in light of dual threads from OP

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By Jomi1
02nd Mar 2020 19:07

I think you deleted both threads, as my email shows the following comments. Let me write a quote here below. In my case, I am providing evidence which I have. If ICAEW is not taking action, assuming not enough for disciplinary actions. Then why it would start investigating. It can simply inform me that it is not enough to start open a case.

"Applicants and sponsors should be aware that applicants are not permitted to plagiarise the work of others, whether published or unpublished and in whatever format or medium. This includes ICAEW's illustrative answers to Pathways questions.

Failure to comply is considered to be misconduct. Where ICAEW believes misconduct may exist, the case will be referred to ICAEW Assessment Committee for investigation and potential disciplinary action, and referral to the candidate’s current professional body."

Of course if one were to make an allegation that did not stand up but the Accountant suffered financial or reputational loss as a result of an unproven allegation, the financial cost to the party making such an allegation could be very large. Accordingly if I were you I would consult and pay a solicitor to ensure I was not making a very expensive mistake leaving myself vulnerable to being sued."

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By Matrix
02nd Mar 2020 18:33

When I did case study it was in exam conditions, could have done with some help though. The 4 hour mocks were tedious beyond belief.

Has he got a practicing certificate? That is what I would be looking at if he is newly qualified.

You can make a complaint to the institute or take legal action to recover your records. Must have been an awful fall out, shows you should never act for friends.

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By Jomi1
02nd Mar 2020 18:59

Thanks. It was these questions:
https://www.icaew.com/-/media/corporate/files/join-us/pathways-to-member...

I got a word file where I edited two answers with track changes. Before that, I gave my feedback on his other questions through phone and Teamviewer screenshare, which I do not have proof.

The question is how much is considered plagiarism or something which is enough to get action on it. I have his professional email "Please go through and let me know if anything comes to your notice or need improvement.

Please check it by Friday as need to prepare the rest document on weekend.

If you need any further information, please do not hesitate to contact us."

I then said in reply "I looked and left a few comments on the two questions we discussed before. " I have the copy where I edited the two.

But as I said I did as a friend capacity and not a consultant. I did not charge him anything.

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By Matrix
02nd Mar 2020 19:34

I have no idea what this is, is it for passing the exams or obtaining a practising certificate. Read the replies to both threads and forget this plagiarism angle.

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By Jomi1
02nd Mar 2020 20:23

Well, frankly I also do not know much. I think it was his membership joining. Pathways to Membership.

https://www.icaew.com/membership/becoming-a-member/members-of-other-bodi...

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By Wilson Philips
02nd Mar 2020 19:11

Let it go

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By Lone_Wolf
02nd Mar 2020 23:48

You are sounding like a bit of a lunatic.

Are you a spurned lover by chance?

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By Manchester_man
03rd Mar 2020 01:30

I have a feeling you may be hot on the money there.

To the OP:. Whatever has happened (and after having skim read both threads, I haven't the faintest idea), life realty is far too short for campaigns like this, no matter how unjust the situation may be.

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By Bob Loblaw
03rd Mar 2020 09:05

I would suggest that you seriously consider taking him to Bad Boy Court and have him charged with one count of hurty wurty feelings and another of being a big meanie :(

Let me know how you get on.

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By Bob Loblaw
03rd Mar 2020 09:06

Or just move on. Put the past behind you. Forgot about them. Marry a supermodel, buy a yacht. Hit him with your yacht.

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By DJKL
03rd Mar 2020 10:28

Whare sits our sulky, sullen dame,
Gathering her brows like gathering storm,
Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.

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By Dib
03rd Mar 2020 13:30

Ah, the immortal words of Mr Burns!

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By DJKL
03rd Mar 2020 13:47

Yes, think Tam o' Shanter was in my first year of secondary; we did vast amount of poetry that year, Tennyson, Blake, Wordsworth plus a fair few others, the same teacher I had in that year and also in my third year at secondary, Ms Wallis, is probably why I took some Literature courses within my humanities degree.

(Next academic year , with all the spare time I now have, it is back to Edinburgh for me to take a few of the literature Short Courses that they offer there)

https://www.ed.ac.uk/studying/short-courses/subjects/literature

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By Lone_Wolf
03rd Mar 2020 14:03

It's probably an indictment on both me and the modern education system that my first thoughts were "I can't remember that episode of The Simpsons".

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By thevaliant
03rd Mar 2020 16:12

That was my first thought also.

My school was comedy. In Year 10 we were told we'd do Shakespear next year, in Year 11 by outgoing English teacher.

At the end of Year 11, incoming English teacher just wanted to make sure we'd done Shakespear in year 10... hadn't we?

Never read a word of it. Probably never will (not interested).

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By Lone_Wolf
03rd Mar 2020 17:10

Yeah, there was no chance of our school doing Shakespeare.

We had our own on-site police officer, so I don't think being well versed in English literature was one of our schools primary aims unfortunately.

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By DJKL
03rd Mar 2020 17:37

But you will be versed, you will maybe just not realise it was Will's creation.

e.g. "Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." is oft used but not as oft attributed; there are lots of other examples..

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By DJKL
03rd Mar 2020 17:18

You likely quote Shakespeare all the time but just do not know it, the number of phrases of his that are in common use are very numerous.

Obviously Shakespeare fans on here are "we few, we happy few, we band of brothers."

My favourite quote to impart to my offspring when reading them a certain children's book was "Out, damned spot; out, I say", this had the desired effect on their careers, one now writes software, the other is becoming an Urban Planner, and neither has the remotest interest in the Bard.

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By DJKL
03rd Mar 2020 17:33

Here is an appropriate one particularly for you

"Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant never taste of death but once"

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By Truthsayer
03rd Mar 2020 10:51

It's funny when people post anonymously, then reveal their identities by replying to comments! Jomi1, you sound like an obsessive stalker. My advice is walk away from this and carry on with your life.

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By bernard michael
03rd Mar 2020 12:01

Isn't Google in the same position as the OP ??

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By ohgoodgodno
03rd Mar 2020 14:55

I hope you did not also help with his English homework?

His chances of passing that would be unpossible

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By justsotax
03rd Mar 2020 15:18

you didn't know you were assisting in the pathway membership but know suddenly do....sounds like you were assisting in a fraud......

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By Tim Vane
03rd Mar 2020 15:35

Oh look, whiny brat is back. This is what you get when you don’t slap down their whiny self pitying tosh the first time.

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By norstar
03rd Mar 2020 16:22

Don't waste your time. Your efforts to have him/her disciplined will amount to nothing because we will all perish from Coronavirus soon anyway. Let St Peter judge them...

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By CW2012
03rd Mar 2020 17:28

Can we get back to the poetry, Dylan Thomas anyone.

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By Tim Vane
03rd Mar 2020 18:21

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Can we get back to the poetry, Dylan Thomas anyone.

Overrated

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By DJKL
04th Mar 2020 10:18

Here is an original-

A poster his complaint did air
An ICAEW member thwarting him
The pain of this did make him sair
His outlook dark and grim

Another thread he started on
Revenge aflame upon his mind
Hear all, he’s done me wrong
Behaviour so unkind

Satisfaction is my aim
I want to see him pay the price
What he’s done a veritable stain
And hardly very nice

But voices whispering, let it go
You so waste time carrying on so

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By Tax Dragon
04th Mar 2020 11:03

An allegory?

DIY poetry; DIY accounts and tax?

(I'm not saying your effort isn't good; but you can tell the difference... even I can understand yours, for starters! :-))

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By DJKL
04th Mar 2020 11:13

You are too kind- I tend not to describe my output as poetry as that would really be giving it delusions of grandeur.

Poetry is like accountancy, you need no qualification to make an [***] of both.

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By DJKL
04th Mar 2020 11:29

Duplicate

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