So, now we have some more detail.
Financial support to be withdrawn gradually - with employer NI and pension being chopped from August, and the gross pay claim reduced to 70% in September and 60% in October.
More flexibility for staff from July - employers can bring people back X days a week and claim furlough for the rest of the week. Interesting to see how we are going to square those calculations with furlough being worked out on calendar days!
Obviously a lot of detail to come - but some of these calculations are going to be horrendous especially where salary periods don't match up nicely with the calendar month...
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Thanks for that Pandora - I popped out for provisions for 20 minutes and by the time I came back both CJRS and SEISS had been revamped!
I was hoping for a quiet weekend too but the emails have already started! So 'thank you' Mr Sunak!!
gov.uk states that further guidance on flexible furloughing and how employers should calculate claims will be published on 12 June 2020.
gov.uk states that further guidance on flexible furloughing and how employers should calculate claims will be published on 12 June 2020.
So 2 days after the deadline to furlough someone then.
acceje wrote:
gov.uk states that further guidance on flexible furloughing and how employers should calculate claims will be published on 12 June 2020.
So 2 days after the deadline to furlough someone then.
I'm either going to furlough an employee or I'm not. How to calculate pay is a side issue at most.
Agreed, but now we have 2 weeks of daft question time again. Probably get the update after 5pm on 12th as well.
Although I've not read it, too busy rebelling by sitting in the sun for a change. Mind, I was bored after a couple of hours!!
I am glad the fall off doesn't start in August too much.
At least we have some experience in the type of calculations now!
Am I correct in thinking the flexible furlough is a completely new scheme and therefore employers don’t have to of furloughed employees by the 10 June to be eligible?
... employers don’t have to of furloughed employees
There's a typo in here somewhere - what are you trying to say ?
Do we have a cut off date of 10 June. For instance on 1 July could I decide to furlough an employee for 2 days out of 5 on the flexible scheme? Is the 10 June just a cut off to receive 80% in July.
Hell I don’t even understand what I’m asking myself ! It’s been a long week! I’ll digest it all properly over the weekend.
The way I read it was:
Furlough scheme #1 ends 30/6.
Furlough scheme #2 starts 01/7.
You have to be on #1 to be on #2.
Minimum furlough period is 3 weeks.
Ergo, to be on #2, you have to be furloughed on #1 by 10/6
So if the gross pay claim is being cut, does the employee still get 80% or does he get a pay cut ?
I think he said the employees still get 80% so it doesn’t affect them, it’s a contribution to their 80% from the employer.
Apparently, it's National Biscuit Day today.
I need a biscuit after reading that - maybe more than one.
But what biscuit; milk chocolate digestive, dark chocolate digestive, a Tunnock's caramel wafer, custard cream, these daftly priced Border Biscuits my spouse buys, Jammy Dodger, Hob [***], KitKat.
Up here it is no evening meal day, I have come in from working on my cheap garden room (to be made from left over timber , buy nothing(though I have purchased the electrics)) I find nobody wants to cook and it is a DIY evening in that we each fend for ourselves- perfect opportunity for a generally frowned upon bacon and egg Bagel or if that is too much effort maybe have one of each type of biscuit we currently have in the house.
Edit- they censored HobNob, that is what comes of incorrectly using a space.
But what biscuit; milk chocolate digestive, dark chocolate digestive, a Tunnock's caramel wafer, custard cream, these daftly priced Border Biscuits my spouse buys, Jammy Dodger, Hob [***], KitKat.
Aye, they're all grand.
let me try again with my friday evening question, I the point i was trying to make was (here goes) ....
To claim on CJRSv2 do i just have to of put in a furlough claim on CJRSv1 ?
Imagine I am a tradesman- I put in a furlough claim in for april - may. My employees return to work full time for June - July. perhaps the virus returns in august so i see a reduction in trade. Can I put employees on part time and furlough them for the rest of their contract?
Or do i miss out because I didnt have them on furlough upto 30 June ?
The guidance to me seems to in places read like the employees have to be on furlough at 30/6, and in other parts suggest they just have to of been furloughed at some point on CJRSv1.
@ jonibarnes.
If an employee was taken off furlough at any time prior to 30 June 2020 then they will be EQUALLY as eligible for furlough (under CJRSv2) as an employee who was on furlough at 30 June 2020.
Basil.
Can you clarify your reasoning for this please basil?@ jonibarnes.
If an employee was taken off furlough at any time prior to 30 June 2020 then they will be EQUALLY as eligible for furlough (under CJRSv2) as an employee who was on furlough at 30 June 2020.
Basil.
I'm going back to reread it now, but my first reading interpreted it as new furlough periods (even for previously furloughed employees) could not start after 30 June 2020. It would be a great relief to find out that is not the case.
As others have said, releasing the details 2 days after the 10 June deadline for qualifying for furlough is a naff (wanted to use ruder words but knew the forum would reject them) move by the government. If said details confirm my interpretation and not yours a lot of people are going to be very unhappy.
Yes, as Basil says above.
So 10th June is important as it's the latest date you can add an additional employee to furlough scheme CJRSv1 to give them 3 weeks before that scheme ends on 30 June.
If they weren't on CJRSv1 then you can't claim for them on CJRSv2.
This would certainly be a great relief to a lot of people - I interpret it that way re read the guidance then interpret it the other!
@ stepurhan (your 13.15 post today).
This is a link to my thread recently, which includes the GOV.UK guidance:-
https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/furlough-and-seiss-changes-a...
If you scroll down to "Important dates", I feel this section explains matters relatively clearly. I do find that some guidance (from GOV.UK and elsewhere) does not always adequately clarify whether it is referring to the employer or to the employee: in that regard, possibly the reference, in that "Important dates" section, to "new entrants" has been interpreted by you as referring to the employer, whereas in fact it refers to the employee. In that regard, I note your understanding that:-
"new furlough periods (even for previously furloughed employees) could not start after 30 June 2020".
I am only guessing, but your above words, if I correctly interpret them, might possibly help to explain what I respectfully consider is your incorrect interpretation.
Feel free to post again if I have not clarified the matter adequately.
Basil.
Thank you kindly basil.
It does indeed appear to be a misinterpretation on my part. I read the reference to new entrants in the important dates section as meaning a new furlough period (since an employee would have left the scheme when the first furlough ceased). I see that is actually clarified further down the page and agree that your interpretation is correct.
Thank you for taking the time to respond. It is very much appreciated and reminds my why I stick with this forum, even though it is not all it once was.
@ stepurhan.
Thank you for the kind words - more than happy to help a man who, for many years, was a prodigious and highly knowledgeable contributor to AWEB, whilst I fully respect his more recently reducing his site visits.
Basil.
