CJRS no NINO

What to enter when claiming for 15-year old

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I am attempting to make a claim under the CJRS and have hit a problem with a 15-year old part-time employee as he has no NINO. The scheme won't let me continue without entering a NINO in the correct format.

Has anyone else encountered this problem and knows the way to deal with it? I'm waiting for HMRC Webchat to become available, but fear that could take some time.

Thanks for any responses

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By kategill
20th Apr 2020 13:54

I had this problem and i gave up, reduced my number of employees and didn't claim for this individual as it was a very small amount compared to my whole claim. I couldn't find anything to say there is an age limit on the claims though?

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By clara-casa
20th Apr 2020 13:58

AA123456A worked this morning for one of ours. It might fall down later but it accepted it at the moment.

Hope that helps
Clara

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By paul.benny
20th Apr 2020 14:07

During term time, under 16s are restricted to 12 hours a week. Minimum wage for under-18s last year was £4.35/hour. So you/your client are wanting to claim furlough subsidy of about £40 a week for this person?

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By mbee1
20th Apr 2020 14:23

paul.benny wrote:

During term time, under 16s are restricted to 12 hours a week. Minimum wage for under-18s last year was £4.35/hour. So you/your client are wanting to claim furlough subsidy of about £40 a week for this person?


Why not? £40 is £40 to a struggling employer.
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By Bobbo
20th Apr 2020 15:02

It is also possible the employer pays their staff more than the minimum they legally must

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By K81
20th Apr 2020 16:57

many years ago you could enter TN THEN dob followed by letter N

EG - TN01012005N

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By Wanderer
20th Apr 2020 17:04

Last character was M for Male, F for female and P for Pensioner.

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By jcace
20th Apr 2020 22:53

I tried that, but it's not valid. I eventually got through to a Webchat adviser who has referred the query for a callback within 48 hours. I asked about putting AA123456A (as per the earlier response) and was told that the tech team might advise that, but they would need to come back to me first for audit purposes. I will update when I know more.

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By Not Anonymous
20th Apr 2020 23:14

jcace wrote:

I tried that, but it's not valid. I eventually got through to a Webchat adviser who has referred the query for a callback within 48 hours. I asked about putting AA123456A (as per the earlier response) and was told that the tech team might advise that, but they would need to come back to me first for audit purposes. I will update when I know more.

According to gov.uk that is actually a real persons NINO and should be avoided!

https://design-system.service.gov.uk/patterns/national-insurance-numbers/

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By Bobbo
22nd Apr 2020 09:36

Unless i'm misreading that says 'AB...' belongs to a real person not 'AA...'

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By jonibarnes
22nd Apr 2020 08:50

i am being told via web chat that they will call me up to process the claim - i have three payrolls so far with employees with no NI numbers are they really going to be phoning everyone ?

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By DerekChaplin
22nd Apr 2020 10:03

Hi - sorry to see you haven't yet gotten an answer on this from HMRC, as I'm in a similar situation with EU Nationals who have applied for NI numbers in March, but are yet to receive them.
As their wages are in the thousands of pounds between them, we will either not be paying them at all, as cannot claim furlough, or hoping for a satisfactory response from HMRC, although currently into 49hrs on a 48hr callback, so not holding my breath.

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By jcace
27th Apr 2020 21:56

I eventually had a callback from HMRC who wouldn't give me a generic NINO to use, but rather, would take down the details of the employee concerned so that they could add him manually to the claim I had submitted (without him).
They also added that HMRC are working on this so that there may be a solution in the future.

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