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CJRS - the new proposals as in Times.

Did anyone really think it would cease.

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 So Rishi Sunak is adamant Furlough will cease on 31st October. And is proposing a new “wage support programme”.This will have put the fear of God into anyone who is involved with payroll - large and small. The “ possibilities” as outlined by the CBI are in essence “ Flexi Furlough”. But no doubt be given a new fancy name and made twice as complicated. . This once again will have to be run through the payroll. And once again HMRC will issue ever changing rules that even the largest of payroll administrators let alone the  small providers  will not understand but will have the threat of penalties dangling over them. We in the payroll world have had 31st October etched in our memories. It has been so stressful- I have been in tears over it as I know have lots of others. The “ schemes” fell out of Rishi Sunak’s mouth with no idea how it can be implemented. I fear our anticipation of end October is “ Be Careful What you Wish For”. 

I wrote this to The Times but thought I would let AW see it. 

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By SXGuy
16th Sep 2020 14:39

No idea how the wage support programme will help someone who has been off work the whole month, whether it will include those types or just people who have had reduce days working. But for me, all of my furloughed payroll have been either off perminantly or gone back to work, so if that trend continues for me it should at least make calculations easier.

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By Paul Crowley
16th Sep 2020 14:47

Much appreciated
Really sick of furlough. Agreed it will be furlough but this new more challenging rules.

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By NYB
16th Sep 2020 15:16

Those with fixed Furlough are a doddle. Try 30 employees on Zero hours faffing with normal hours versus same amount earned last year and take the highest.
The latest CBI suggested pay 100% of the wages for hours worked (simple)
with wages for"non working hours" set at 2/3 split between government and firm.
There will obviously be no "fixed furlough" - BUT this is only a suggestion. However it shows how their brains are working

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By Moonbeam
16th Sep 2020 15:27

I am convinced furlough will be continued in some form or other.
And am dreading it.

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By Matrix
16th Sep 2020 15:38

I hope you are charging NYB. There was thinking at the outset that accountants shouldn’t charge but after 8 months I don’t think this would have been a very good business decision or good for our sanity.

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By SXGuy
16th Sep 2020 15:46

I agree. I was one of those who said I wouldn't charge. But with hindsight I didn't expect to still be doing it till October or beyond. I won't plan on charging them for it this year but I will be letting them know that there's a bill coming due next year for the work done.

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By NYB
16th Sep 2020 16:07

I didnt charge up to June. I have made it clear that there will be a hefty bill at the end of October for many. To do Flexi/Normal Furlough/Full time working is bad enough on salaried. With ZERO hours I have a complicated spreadsheet following HMRC example which the employers cannot understand what the hell I am doing. They want to work Flexi "logically" which it aint.
And reducing 70% for employers claim and retaining 80% for empoyees is yet another "layer".
And put in holiday pay as well - you should see the payslips.
I heard some top lawyer on SKY saying how complicated the scheme is.

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By atleastisoundknowledgable...
16th Sep 2020 20:35

I’ve not charged yet, but might do come November’s calculations, not sure. I did charge 1% to clients who we don’t do the payroll for, but that only brought in about £800 over the whole period!!

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By MuayThai
16th Sep 2020 21:51

Whilst I agree payrollers should be charging for their time spent doing furlough claims, I've heard of some shady [***] going on with furlough and the bigger firms. I heard when furlough first hit Haines Watts charged 10% of all furlough wages claimed for their fee. And they didn't even ask clients if they wanted them to do it, they just did it. Talk about immoral....

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By AWeb72
16th Sep 2020 18:12

I hope not. I have been counting down the end since about May!!

And I lost one client because she was constantly ringing with queries about it. I wouldn't have minded emails quite so much but it got to the point where I let my phone take messages and went back to her a few days later. This apparently was too long for her.

But I'm a one-man practice and have plenty of other clients and my sanity to consider so c'est la vie.

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By TessaW
16th Sep 2020 19:51

I'm dreading dealing with calculations for an extension. Plus various clients are struggling with low employee morale among those who have worked throughout when their colleagues have been furloughed; plus other clients who have been working hard are already complaining about having to pay tax which is then used to give thousands of people months of holiday. I have heard that cash takings are booming now, although this doesn't seem to be showing up in my clients' records.

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By NYB
16th Sep 2020 20:15

Its interesting now how we can analyse all this. Totally agree with all the above. I have a client with wine bar who is full of that he hasn't had to use his business grant and some other pots he has acquired. But now Eat Out has stopped and students have returned to uni its all gone quiet again so back on flexi furlough they all go. Now in "normal times" I expect those staff would have had reduced hours (Zero contract) anyway and not be "picked up". One thing - he is quite morose as its all cards and no cash so he has been unable to siphon anything off.

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