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As a kitchen manufacturer moving now into also fitting the kitchens in domestic homes using self employed joiners...would we have to do a construction industry scheme return and deduct payments from the joiner?

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By kestrepo
18th Dec 2019 09:34

Installation and repair to kitchens and bathrooms are classed as an operation that is included in the CIS scheme. Also think it might be relevant that floor coverings, such as vinyl, linoleum (but not carpet) and laminated wooden flooring are also classed as included operations.

Also you might find this extract from the CIS guide useful:

"Private householders are not contractors for the purposes of the scheme but if you do any of the work listed below for a contractor who is doing the work for a private householder, the contractor will have to operate the scheme on payments they make to you."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/construction-industry-scheme-...

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By Johnny100908
18th Dec 2019 11:18

Thanks kestrepo. That's really clarified things for me. Much appreciated.

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By lionofludesch
18th Dec 2019 09:49

Wickes, B+Q and Magnet all do it and, I'm afraid, so must you.

As kestrepo says, it's on the CIS list.

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By Johnny100908
18th Dec 2019 11:18

Thanks for that. Much appreciated.

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By DJKL
18th Dec 2019 10:59

There is of course the option of having the end client paying the fitter direct, however if I were the client I would not be happy with split responsibility in case something went wrong/arguments over faulty goods /faulty installation, I have accommodated this when say having carpets fitted in my house but fitting carpets is not that complex.

Imho it is not a good brand image , so as a cure it seems worse than the pain, but it is possible.

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By lionofludesch
18th Dec 2019 11:03

Saves VAT too, probably.

But whether it's worth the saving is a moot point. It would need to be clear to the customer who is responsible for what.

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By Johnny100908
18th Dec 2019 11:17

Thanks for help on this. Much appreciated.

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By Roland195
18th Dec 2019 11:42

As always in these cases, it seems slightly unfair to me that a manufacturer of kitchens seeking to branch out should understand it's their responsibility to read into the details of a scheme that sounds nothing to do with them.

Even worse for carpet shops who also sell & install laminate though.

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By DJKL
18th Dec 2019 13:06

The carpet shop might not be aware but really the tradesmen are generally aware; joiners, plumbers, sparks etc, unless leading a very sheltered life over the years and either being only employees or only working direct for the public, are usually all aware of CIS; compliant, that is a different question.

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By Roland195
18th Dec 2019 15:31

I can see that argument for the trades who could see the relevance of construction but seems a bit of a leap for carpet fitters.

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By lionofludesch
18th Dec 2019 13:13

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As always in these cases, it seems slightly unfair to me that a manufacturer of kitchens seeking to branch out should understand it's their responsibility to read into the details of a scheme that sounds nothing to do with them.

Branch out into a new trade and you need to understand the rules around the new trade.

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By Roland195
18th Dec 2019 15:37

Ignorance may be no defense but I at least would have some understanding if not sympathy of why they did not think something called the Construction Industry Scheme would be relevant.

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By lionofludesch
18th Dec 2019 15:45

Joiners and electricians not in the construction industry ?

Come, come - it's not much of a defence.

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By Roland195
18th Dec 2019 16:12

Surely it depends on the type of work they do though? There is a world of difference between a joiner contacting to a developer on new build sites etc and the ones that fit decking etc. It has always struck me as a little unreasonable that a joiner contracted to hang some doors etc would genuinely be expected to register,verify , deduct & return tax if he gets his pal to help him (but not if he splits his invoice to the householder & gets them to pay his mate directly).

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