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Copyright Licensing acency

Unsolicited email asking us if we need to sign up

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At the end of May we recieved an email from the Copyright Licensing Agency asking us if we need to sign up for their license - I ignored it as a shakedown along the lines of the PRS. Today we have recieved a follow up email indignantly asking why we haven't signed up yet.

Reading their website they seem to suggest that if you print a website or photocopy an article then you need a license at about £500 per year - and they want you to backdate it 6 years.

Is anyone else recieving these - anyone any experience of whether an accountancy practice needs one?

We do scan in ICAEW magazines and other ones we subscribe to and website pages will also be printed occasionaly. If it really is necessary on those criteria I would imagine nearly all businesses would need a license.

 

 

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Locutus of Borg
By Locutus
22nd Jun 2020 09:58

I have not received one.

Regardless of whether this is genuine or a scam, my action would be the same - just ignore the email. I have no time for rent-seekers or scammers.

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By tom123
22nd Jun 2020 10:07

Do people not pay the PRS then?

We do, as we have a radio playing -- constantly-- on our shop floor.

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By leicsred
22nd Jun 2020 10:23

We do too - the cynic in me is wondering if that is why they have now written to us about this...

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By DJKL
22nd Jun 2020 10:12

https://www.gov.uk/copyright-licensing-agency-licence

Edit-also now looked at:-

https://www.cla.co.uk/business/other-businesses-charities

and particularly

https://www.cla.co.uk/website-republishing-permissions

re your website.

The key appears to be do you place articles written by others on your website, do you cut/paste from publications (subject to size) and distribute to clients.

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By leicsred
22nd Jun 2020 10:21

The bit that concerns me is www.cla.co.uk/do-you-need-a-licence

Which seems to say that if you even print out a web page or scan a magazine you have subscribed to for your server then you need a license.

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By leicsred
22nd Jun 2020 10:34

Their website "do you need a CLA license" suggests that it is more widespread than that - even if you print out a webpage, or scan in a magazine you subscribe to.

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By DJKL
22nd Jun 2020 12:23

I suspect it runs with the normal 5% rule re particular articles, I seem to recall at university , back in the late 70s/80s , that we were told we could only copy up to say 5% of a Journal Article (not that anyone took a blind bit of notice)

I have not read it all in full but it does appear to be a genuine thing so if you do operate a website using articles written by others it could well bite.

The people to answer this on here are possibly actually the staff at A Web/Sift who run this site, they ought to be aware of the legislation given what they do.

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By leicsred
22nd Jun 2020 12:43

Unfortunately I don't read it as that - it seems to be that even if you copy something to keep on an internal clients file (electronic or paper) you would need a license.

We have in the past scanned in magazine articles (e.g. ICAEW Audit news) and held them centrally - not sent out to clients or published on a website - that seems to be caught too.

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By DJKL
22nd Jun 2020 13:22

I am not saying it just covers web publishing, I suspect if anyone copies entire articles they are in copyright breach and always were, if they sample an excerpt, certainly for private use (less than 5%) then under fair use they likely are not.

Where the interesting question is is what constitutes the whole, I have a book here at home called "Studies in Accounting", Edited Baxter & Davidson, it consists of various essays by different authors on accounting issues of their day, so do I view each article as a distinct work, 5% limit on an individual article (which I think likely is the position) or do I look at the entity as the entire bound book (which I think I cannot) and as there are 23 articles I can copy an entire smaller one with impunity. (I suspect not)

I would suspect that with something like Bloomsbury Online one maybe has the Copyright holder's permission to sample/distribute samples even for business use by having paid for the online version, or really what is the point of the sales pitches re using the online versions.People might want to check with say ICPA/other subscription suppliers re their understanding of the position . (I got Bloomsbury when I was an ICPA member via ICPA)

So the key is, does fair use cover business use or does one need the copyright holder's permission for any sampling however small?

They are obviously an entity set up to protect what was always the law re Copyright and like PRS re music they likely do have teeth.

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By carnmores
22nd Jun 2020 10:33

and god help you if you accidentally use someone elses image on your website. Getty images or similar will write to demanding ridiculous sums.

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By SXGuy
22nd Jun 2020 12:00

Ive not received one, but I do know of something similar happening with the likes of Ghetty Images.

They often employ people to search the net for websites who use their material and then send a solicitors letter asking for payment due to breach of copywrite.

Ive never heard of the Copywrite Licencing Agency, pro actively asking people to sign up, nor have I heard of any protection against usage of copywrite material.

Id have thought signing up just protects your own material for copywrite infringements. Unless im mistaken.

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By carnmores
22nd Jun 2020 12:11

They use an algorithm to search i believe there is virtually no manual input

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By leicsred
22nd Jun 2020 12:15

This is a license they have arranged with various publications to enable you to copy, store etc their publications without breaching copyright.

You can put in the publications that you use to see if they are covered by the license - I put in some of the ICAEW publications and FL Memo and they were covered.

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