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Can anyone let me know about this direct debit system and what to do about  a penalty if a DD faulters .

Also how to cope with all the conflicting information HMRC seem to be giving out, I was told in an email by HMRC that I could not view my VAT certificate on the MTD portal and yet an Accounting web member told me I could and I can that means HMRC are writing emails that are incorrect.

With the quarter dates  is April/May and June  for filing in August and then May June and July in September , In the July quarter what about April as that mandated surely . How can we do one month on the old system and another on the new one ?

With clients on manual books , it usually takes me a year to train someone from manual to computer books and I ask them to run them along side each other to ensure HMRC compliance . As HMRC are now telling clients within 30  days of the change and are also expecting the Accountant to role out the change , effectively register clients for MTD and show them how to go  from manual to computer overnight I cant see how I would have enough resources.Any ideas please ?

We have many clients we only see once a year , any idea how they will cope going from manual to computer , many do not use email and would not know where to start with switching on  a computer, what should I do about these 

 

 

 

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20th Feb 2019 16:17

nodrogbir wrote:

Can anyone let me know about this direct debit system and what to do about  a penalty if a DD faulters .

I would suggest setting up a new direct debit so that doesn't happen.

nodrogbir wrote:

Also how to cope with all the conflicting information HMRC seem to be giving out, I was told in an email by HMRC that I could not view my VAT certificate on the MTD portal and yet an Accounting web member told me I could and I can that means HMRC are writing emails that are incorrect.

You're assuming the AWeb member is correct. Since there's no client list on the new ASA I doubt there will be a facility for viewing the VAT certificate. The old portal will still exist though, you just can't file returns on it so it's not an issue.

nodrogbir wrote:

With the quarter dates  is April/May and June  for filing in August and then May June and July in September , In the July quarter what about April as that mandated surely . How can we do one month on the old system and another on the new one ?

I don't understand this question but a return is either done all in MTD or all out of it, there's no returns straddling the changeover. The first one you have to use MTD for is the first return period beginning on or after 1 April. If you opt to file a return for a period beginning before that date under MTD then the date that period starts is when you've started in MTD.

nodrogbir wrote:

With clients on manual books , it usually takes me a year to train someone from manual to computer books and I ask them to run them along side each other to ensure HMRC compliance . As HMRC are now telling clients within 30  days of the change and are also expecting the Accountant to role out the change , effectively register clients for MTD and show them how to go  from manual to computer overnight I cant see how I would have enough resources.Any ideas please ?

If it takes you a year to get clients on to computerised records then you needed to start eleven months ago, I'm afraid.

nodrogbir wrote:

We have many clients we only see once a year , any idea how they will cope going from manual to computer , many do not use email and would not know where to start with switching on  a computer, what should I do about these 

You can appeal for them to be exempted from MTD. There are no hard and fast rules about who's eligible for exemption, it's on a case by case basis. Their options though are either learn how to do it, hire someone to do it or have an exemption granted. There's no fourth option where you complain enough online and it all goes away.

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to Duggimon
20th Feb 2019 16:51

Thanks for your reply .

With the direct debit my own went through ok and I am on MTD , another member asked the question and so I was confused as HMRC have not explained this .

With the VAT certificate I can confirm that HMRC were wrong and Accounting web member was correct .

With the year transition on book-keeping all clients were informed but as HMRC did not send out letters backing us up clients took no action. A less sarcastic answer might have been more helpful to a fellow Accountant .

Again your fourth point is not at all helpful and rather pompous so I am not even going to comment.

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By Matrix
20th Feb 2019 16:19

You can appeal any VAT surcharges.

You have had plenty of time to prepare your clients.

I don't love MTD either so am going to look at this in April.

There are no split quarters, I suggest you reread the rules and stop panicking.

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to Matrix
20th Feb 2019 16:55

I can assure you I have told my clients over the last two years but as the weight of HMRC informing them of such a change by way of a letter why would anyone listen to me.
The fact that HMRC have only just informed the taxpayers 30 days before mandation demonstrates a flaw in the system not to mention the ICAEW and HoL condemnation. Do you read your trade journals ?

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to nodrogbir
21st Feb 2019 01:00

Do you read AWeb posts? I do not disagree with you and have discussed my thoughts frequently so please refrain from attacking me personally.

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By Tornado
20th Feb 2019 18:07

On another thread I have calculated that 1.375% of businesses that are due to be mandated to MTD for VAT from April 1st 2019 have already signed up.

https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/am-i-in-a-parallel-universe

I think you and your clients are amongst the 98.625% that have not yet signed up so it will be interesting to see what happens.

This is in stark contrast to the 400,000 people that HMRC said would be in the Pilot by Autumn 2017. They are seriously deluded about this or just blatant liars.

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to Tornado
21st Feb 2019 10:04

Tornado wrote:
They are seriously deluded about this or just blatant liars.

I vote liars.

Nobody could be thick enough to be merely deluded.

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