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EYU headache

How on earth do I fix this.

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Hi

Bit of a long one so please bare with.

Sent off 2 EYU's for a clients two employees and unbeknown to me, our software provider had a bug and was sending EYU's with the wrong tax year.

The reported figures are now sat in 2017/18 instead of 2018/19.

HMRC have finally provided me with the figures they hold and asked for new EYU's. One of the records is for someone that wasn't even employed in 2017/18 so I am having to use BPT to correct.

My problem is that based on HMRC's figures I need to enter a negative amount and BPT wont allow that.

So for example, employee A - all HMRC have is total er NIC of -£XYZ and it should be £0 as they werent employed...

Just wondering if anyone else has experienced anything similar before I join the long and pointless queue for the employers helpline.

Thanks

 

 

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Replying to lionofludesch:
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By Payrollgal
01st Aug 2019 11:10

Yeah I have. Sadly it only covers a negative figure for employee NI. Thanks though

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By lionofludesch
01st Aug 2019 11:37

Have you read this ?

Enter the correct information
You’ll now see the screen ‘Earlier Year Update (EYU) – Correction details’.

The purpose of this screen is for you to enter the correct amounts where either of the following applies:
there’s an amount shown in the ‘previously submitted amount’ column
you have new figures to supply for items that have not been submitted before
You’ll see the amounts in the ‘Previously submitted amount’ column have been imported from the last Full Payment Submission (FPS) for the previous year.

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By Payrollgal
01st Aug 2019 11:49

Yes - am I missing something?

There are no previously submitted amounts showing...

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By Moonbeam
01st Aug 2019 11:14

I agree with Lion. I've regularly used HMRC tools for EYU's. Not sure whether it can do minuses, but I think it's worth a go.
I would also speak to your software provider and insist they help you sort out the mess they've made.

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By Payrollgal
01st Aug 2019 11:23

Definitely can't do minuses, comes up with a big red error message.

Am waiting for software provider to come back to me but not holding my breath!

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By SteveHa
01st Aug 2019 11:32

It may just be formatting, but your OP suggests that HMRC currently hold a negative figure which needs to be zero. To get to that result you need a positive, not a further negative.

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By Payrollgal
01st Aug 2019 11:47

Agreed but the EYU asks for the previously submitted amount which is a negative according to HMRC's records - this is the bit I can't do.

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By SteveHa
01st Aug 2019 12:40

Begs the question, why/how have HMRC got a negative liability for employer NI?

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By Payrollgal
01st Aug 2019 12:48

As the post says, the EYU has been applied against the wrong tax year. One of them employees wasn't employed at that time. The EYU was to reclaim overpaid er's NI so it should have just reduced the YTD for that employee but because of the error it's applied the reduction against nothing. Bit of a nightmare!

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By lionofludesch
01st Aug 2019 12:52

How's it done that if it won't accept minuses ?

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By Payrollgal
01st Aug 2019 13:54

No idea. The original EYU was done correctly, out of my payroll software. Because of a software issue is has registered against the wrong tax year with HMRC. Against an employee who had YTD figures so the only possible outcome would be a negative balance.

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By Paul Hawes
01st Aug 2019 12:56

Not sure why everyone seems to be ignoring the actual issue you are having. I believe when you submit the EYU it only submits the amounts to correct the YTD figures. I reckon the way to fix your issue would be if for example it's showing -£500 ER NI and you want it to be nil to put the figures held already as nil and then put the end figure as £500 so it will increase the -500 to nil.

I'm not 100% sure on that though so I would ask HMRC if it's ok for you to do that (although they probably have no idea).

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By jcace
01st Aug 2019 13:13

Paul is correct. The EYU submitted from Basic PAYE Tools only consists of the correction needed - how you get there is not submitted. So you can enter whatever amounts you like (in the boxes for "already submitted" etc) to arrive at you desired outcome.

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By Payrollgal
01st Aug 2019 13:57

I think people aren't reading/understanding the whole question.

I think you may be right actually! Thank you :)

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By Payrollgal
07th Aug 2019 11:05

Hi Paul

Just wanted to let you know that the above was correct - phew!

Thanks for you help!

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