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Ford Torneo alternative that is classed as a van

Ford Torneo alternative that is classed as a van

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Hello Vat registered limited company client wants something big with lots of seats to use for business "and possibly pleasure" , they were looking at the ford torneo - but looking at the spec sheet it looks like they are all cars - makes sense if its designed primarily to carry passengers and isn't cannily designed to qualify as  a van.

https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/guxeu/uk/documents/price-list/cars/PL...

does anyone know of similar vehicles that would pass the van test for both vat and tax purposes? - i think the client had their heart set on it having 8 seats just to add to the complications.

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By lionofludesch
25th Sep 2019 14:37

8 seats ?

Any to the rear of the driver ?

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By rmillaree
25th Sep 2019 17:45

Apologies lionfludesch if my original post was as clear as mud - i am aware the Torneo is classed as a car so its not a Torneo related question as such.

My question specifically is - does anyone know if there are any similar 8 (or as close to 8 as possible) seated car/van type vehicles that would qualify as a van? for tax and vat purposes - perhaps i am asking for the impossible :)

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By lionofludesch
25th Sep 2019 17:53

Thanks for taking the post seriously.

No - you might be better looking for something that qualifies as a bus.

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By itp3e
27th Sep 2019 14:14

Yes - all of them. But only if the vehicle has five reverse gears and is solely and constantly patronised only by Italians

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By mrme89
25th Sep 2019 14:38

It's a car for both purposes.

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By ewelina-adamska
27th Sep 2019 10:41

Ford Tourneo shuttle bus is 8 seater

ford tourneo grand connect is 7 seater, believe classed as MPV

Ford has good guide on their website for company tax on all their models. So you can check for yourself if choice would be for the client
https://www.ford.co.uk/shop/specialist-sales/fleet/drivers/company-car-t...

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By lh3f9764bg1g
27th Sep 2019 11:09

That Ford Tourneo shuttle bus jobbie sounds like a possibility . . . . . I wonder does it fully satisfy the OP's requirements with regards to VAT and Tax?
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By rmillaree
27th Sep 2019 12:56

"That Ford Tourneo shuttle bus jobbie sounds like a possibility . . . . . I wonder does it fully satisfy the OP's requirements with regards to VAT and Tax?"
Unfortunately not following the link through - i am beginning to think i am asking for the impossible.

I guess what they need to design is one with 3 large seats in the front - 5 midget seats all in a line in the back and that would perhaps probably allow sufficient cargo space in the middle for the conditions to be met.

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By Tom 7000
01st Oct 2019 16:37

Emailed to a client this am.....

Hello
I have looked on google and I cannot find a list of which vehicles are vans and which are cars

The rules say:
For both VAT and income tax purposes, HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) rely on the definition of a vehicle included in the Value Added Tax (Cars) Order 1992: A motor car is:
• a motor vehicle of a kind normally used on public roads which has three or more wheels and either:
• is constructed or adapted solely or mainly for the carriage of passengers; or
• has to the rear of the driver’s seat roofed accommodation which is fitted with side windows or which is constructed or adapted for the fitting of side windows.
Thus for a vehicle to be classed as a van it must have a purpose other than for carrying passengers. It should therefore have a significant load bay to carry goods such that the carrying of passengers can no longer be the main purpose. A car boot will not count.
And that load bay must not have windows either, so the cavernous rear of Lovejoy’s Volvo Estate, with the seats permanently folded down and habitually filled to the roof-lining with antiques, would not be enough to make it a van, even if the rear seats were removed.
In short, it is not the actual use of the vehicle, but the purpose for which it was constructed and sold that matters.

This article at the link below says the VW is a car…. And the Ford looks like it.
So my guess is that it is a car and you would pay tax on it…. But I do not know for certain.

https://www.businessvans.co.uk/van-tax/crew-van-tax-is-it-treated-as-a-c...

Anyone know where the HMRC list is?

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By Wilson Philips
01st Oct 2019 16:45

HMRC's list isn't hard to find - but it's probably not much use now, being 4 years old.

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By Tom 7000
01st Oct 2019 17:02

I saw the old one but....

Ford Transit Custom TDCi 125 L1H1 SWB 290 Trend 2.2

Not sure that fella was even invented when they made that list....

looks like the VW to me

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By rmillaree
01st Oct 2019 17:32

The good news is Ford seem to confirm on the pricelist page if you can find the exact model number whether its a van or car as they list the p11d tax value value.

Note even within the vans section some come out as cars (low fixed tax value ones) and some come out as vans. Nothing seems to indicate the seat numbers clearly here though so i am still missing the holy van grail with 8 seats.

I would imagine ford would be able to confirm in writing p11d value for every model upon request if you are thinking of buying - you then still have to hope that they won't be dropping a clanger in that regard if you rely on their interpratation.

https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/guxeu/uk/documents/price-list/commerc...

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