Just watched Microsoft windows 10 event, completely blown away by Hololens, surface 4 and surface book not to mention new Lumia 950 / xl. Is this a game changer ordering new hardware for Xmas and might even try and get fit with new Microsoft band, get in there
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After 6 years on Apple Macs...
.... we migrated back to Windows 8.1 this year - and seriously impressed.
I got tired of Apple's increasingly frustrating 'walled garden'. It really is a case of 'Apple's way or the highway'.
We're planning to move to Windows 10 after this year's tax return season is over. We already link Microsoft Surface tablets to our main machines. Slick.
Microsoft have really raised their game and (as Apple used to say) 'it just works'.
I was seriously impressed when I tried out the Surface Pro 3. I didn’t think it was worth the money though and I opted for a Dell Laptop.
I still have an Iphone 5s. It would take something special to get me to change my phone from an Apple. It’s simple to use and I’ve spent a small fortune on iTunes!
I think I may be a ludite
I remember being in awe of Mac owners. I always felt that they were members of an exclusive club that I, a humble PC user, was denied access to. It was a 'them and us' affair in my mind. A few years ago, starting with the Iphone, I started dipping my toe into the hallowed water. Now, after several Macbooks, Ipads, Iphones and Imacs I am still waiting expectantly for the light to come on. As I type this from a PC I can honestly say that I don't know what all the fuss is about. I feel let down and tricked.
Fundamentals...
that will run at a speed 50% than a Mac Air book !
50% what? Faster or slower?
PC > Apple, been in IT for 31
PC > Apple, been in IT for 31 years and have used every product that both companies throw at us. both have their uses, but pc just edges it.
however being also a MSE, TechPartner, do not touch win 10 until next year and then look very closely at the setup/installs.
Microsoft have all of the pieces coming together
I have a Windows Phone, 2 Surfaces (one "normal" and one Pro) and a desktop Windows PC. I also have an Xbox (for streaming movies and music, via Groove music pass) and a Microsoft Band (which is good for golf tracking). All have almost identical interfaces right now and will get more identical once Win 10 universal apps are everywhere. All of the devices are tied together beautifully with OneDrive for shared data and sync pretty seamlessly.
Work-wise, we use Office365 (using desktop and web office apps interchangeably), SharePoint, Skype for Business, OneDrive for business, Yammer and Microsoft Dynamics CRM. Our apps are stored in Microsoft datacentres and they also host Virtual PCs (in Amsterdam, so EU).
OK, you are bored now, I know, but the point I am meandering to, is that Microsoft have all of the pieces of the jigsaw and have, at last, almost put it all together - in a way nobody else will be able to.
No. Apple has always been about the marketing.
No. Apple has always been about the marketing, not about having better products (except the first iPod).
Separate lives
Apple for personal stuff, MS for work. The only crossover is my phone, iPhone 6+, it's just too user friendly to consider ever switching.
What about reliability
For me the problem for me with windows based products are that they dont last. Once a PC gets over 3 year old they just seem to fry become prone to errors and get riddled with problems so have to be replaced at least twice as often as Apple products.
I have a IPAD that is 4 years old now and works as well as it did when I bought it apart maybe only now has 80% of the original battery life.
Everyone I know who has upgraded to Windows 10 has had major problems as a result of it resulting in a lot of downtime. You dont get that with Apple they just come out of the box and work.
The 2 major factors against Apple were cost of products, but I looked at the service pro 3 and that it was chatty against the mac book and they were the same price, I would only consider the service Pro if it were half the price of Apple. The next problem is compatbility of software on Macs, which now is less of an issue with cloud products taking over and the possibility to duel boot the system.
So for me as my Windows products fall down I will be replacing them with Macs as I think they are a much more robust product with a longer shelf life and run pretty much problem free.
Whilst I am sure MS are looking to redress the their problems for me they need to do a lot more to restore my faith in them.
I maybe unlucky but i am I never seem to have a laptop last beyond 2 years before they pack in.
I suppose its a look like Sage they dominated years ago until better things came along and they lost there way. They have a lot of good developments coming out, but talk and promises are cheap the stuff needs to work without issue for people to restore the faith they once had in their products.
Remember these shows are meant to impress and most of the stuff they demo are not fully functioning products ready for release.
But ...
For me the problem for me with windows based products are that they dont last. Once a PC gets over 3 year old they just seem to fry become prone to errors and get riddled with problems so have to be replaced at least twice as often as Apple products.
I have a IPAD that is 4 years old now and works as well as it did when I bought it apart maybe only now has 80% of the original battery life.
Everyone I know who has upgraded to Windows 10 has had major problems as a result of it resulting in a lot of downtime. You dont get that with Apple they just come out of the box and work.
The 2 major factors against Apple were cost of products, but I looked at the service pro 3 and that it was chatty against the mac book and they were the same price, I would only consider the service Pro if it were half the price of Apple. The next problem is compatbility of software on Macs, which now is less of an issue with cloud products taking over and the possibility to duel boot the system.
So for me as my Windows products fall down I will be replacing them with Macs as I think they are a much more robust product with a longer shelf life and run pretty much problem free.
Whilst I am sure MS are looking to redress the their problems for me they need to do a lot more to restore my faith in them.
I maybe unlucky but i am I never seem to have a laptop last beyond 2 years before they pack in.
I suppose its a look like Sage they dominated years ago until better things came along and they lost there way. They have a lot of good developments coming out, but talk and promises are cheap the stuff needs to work without issue for people to restore the faith they once had in their products.
Remember these shows are meant to impress and most of the stuff they demo are not fully functioning products ready for release.
... at 1/4 the price Windows gear is twice the value!
They are not 1/4 of price though
For me the problem for me with windows based products are that they dont last. Once a PC gets over 3 year old they just seem to fry become prone to errors and get riddled with problems so have to be replaced at least twice as often as Apple products.
I have a IPAD that is 4 years old now and works as well as it did when I bought it apart maybe only now has 80% of the original battery life.
Everyone I know who has upgraded to Windows 10 has had major problems as a result of it resulting in a lot of downtime. You dont get that with Apple they just come out of the box and work.
The 2 major factors against Apple were cost of products, but I looked at the service pro 3 and that it was chatty against the mac book and they were the same price, I would only consider the service Pro if it were half the price of Apple. The next problem is compatbility of software on Macs, which now is less of an issue with cloud products taking over and the possibility to duel boot the system.
So for me as my Windows products fall down I will be replacing them with Macs as I think they are a much more robust product with a longer shelf life and run pretty much problem free.
Whilst I am sure MS are looking to redress the their problems for me they need to do a lot more to restore my faith in them.
I maybe unlucky but i am I never seem to have a laptop last beyond 2 years before they pack in.
I suppose its a look like Sage they dominated years ago until better things came along and they lost there way. They have a lot of good developments coming out, but talk and promises are cheap the stuff needs to work without issue for people to restore the faith they once had in their products.
Remember these shows are meant to impress and most of the stuff they demo are not fully functioning products ready for release.
... at 1/4 the price Windows gear is twice the value!
Service Pro 3 I looked at was same price as a MacBook for me there was no comparison between the 2
I don't think at any point Mac are 4 X the price
Maybe 40% more expensive but last more than twice the time
I know people who are using Macs that are 10 year old.
I think you have been unlucky
I maybe unlucky but i am I never seem to have a laptop last beyond 2 years before they pack in.
I think you have been. Current laptop is 3.5 years old and desktop is 5.5 years old. That is not atypical in my experence.
Extremely Unlucky!
I maybe unlucky but i am I never seem to have a laptop last beyond 2 years before they pack in.
Either you've been really unlucky or you're doing something really wrong.
Linux FTW
Personally, I'm a Linux guy (I have no choice but W7 at work). Despite common perceptions, Linux is cleaner, faster, and safer than both of MS or Apple on the same hardware, it doesn't get borked every time there's an update, and it's completely open (and free).
As far as I'm concerned, no contest.
Surface Pro 3
The Surface Pro is very powerful. My wife has a Surface Pro 3 (i5, 8gb ram and 256gb disk) that is connected to 2 4k screens and the whole setup runs really well. She ends up with 3 screens -the 12" surface pro and 2 27" 4k external screens. Most laptops would struggle to run 2 4k screens and most desktops would also struggle. She has an identical set up at home and in the office so she just takes the surface pro with her and plunks it into the docking station at home or at work.
But Glennzy
You probably pagger your windows gear hours a day and only watch your special videos on the ipad for 5 minutes.
Of course the iPad would last longer!
May be not 4x
... I exaggerated for effect, but you can get a fully servicable business Windows machine for £300/350, you will be looking at £950/1000 for a Mac.
Crap Browser
I am surprised on-one has mentioned the new internet explorer or the edge. No wonder why Fire fox and Chrome have taken over IE. I am not upgrading to Windows 10 soon.
no fence sitting here!
Windows 8 was horrible. Windows 8.1 an improvement. Windows 10 is back on track. The ribbon is still painful, but Office 16 is awesome. Also not a fan of the subscription model, but loading it is exceptionally straightforward, and at least it keeps me up to date. Overall, I would agree that Microsoft is coming back strong - but I do think they will co-exist happily enough; until someone comes along to usurp both of them!
The difference between apple and MS users is...
PC users love to hate MS, but use it just the same, while apple users are simply fanatical, and will queue all night to buy whatever apple tells them ...at an exhorbitant price!
The only 'industry' differentiator I see is the majority of 'creatives' use apple.
applications
PC users love to hate MS, but use it just the same, while apple users are simply fanatical, and will queue all night to buy whatever apple tells them ...at an exhorbitant price!
The only 'industry' differentiator I see is the majority of 'creatives' use apple.
Are there applications that are only available on Apple, e.g. music composition?
Windows 10 is just pants.
I upgraded about 4 weeks ago. Upgrade worked fine but since then started to go downhill. Outlook keeps crashing and having regular problems sending emails.
One Drive now only has half the files it once did as a lot seem to now be missing.
Laptop now runs a lot slower and battery life reduced by a big chunk.
So have MS taking a bite out of Apple, have they my a*se.
This laptop is about to go out of the window and I am going to stomp down to the Apple shop.
and for the record my special videos are viewed across all platforms.
Windows 10 is not pants
I upgraded about 4 weeks ago. Upgrade worked fine but since then started to go downhill. Outlook keeps crashing and having regular problems sending emails.
One Drive now only has half the files it once did as a lot seem to now be missing.
Laptop now runs a lot slower and battery life reduced by a big chunk.
So have MS taking a bite out of Apple, have they my a*se.
This laptop is about to go out of the window and I am going to stomp down to the Apple shop.
and for the record my special videos are viewed across all platforms.
I have now updated 2 PCs and 3 laptops to Windows 10 and the upgrades went smoothly. Everything has worked fine since then apart from having to update the graphics card driver on one laptop. One of the PCs is very old (it used to be Windows XP > Windows 7 > Windows 8 > Windows 10) and that is the only machine which is now showing some performance issues e.g. Outlook takes longer to start up. I am going to wipe it and do a clean install which hopefully will sort out the performance issues. Overall I am very happy with the way Windows 10 works. It is much better than Windows 7 or Windows 8.1.
at Carnmores
My gear is decent spec - Laptop was Samsung i5 processor which cost £600
Desktop is Lenovo Bad Boy - I7 Turbo set me back nearly a "rio".
Both bought as Window 8 machines then upgraded to 8.1.
Both might be available very cheaply soon as I am to put my foot through them.