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Filed our first MTD VAT return today, but has it Gone through?  Feedback on Sage suggest it has giving a date, time and a correlation ID, but no acknowledgement from HMRC, will we no longer receive these under MTD?

In case you’re wondering client took it upon himself to enrol for MTD

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17th May 2019 15:58

We use Quickbooks Desktop for most of our MTD submissions and we get no confirmation from HMRC for any submissions. It's disconcerting, but they must be getting through as one of the clients was due a VAT rebate and that came through from HMRC shortly after we submitted it.

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17th May 2019 16:42

Following successful submission of a VAT Return using MTD compliant software, HMRC returns a submission receipt to the software which contains the following data:

Receipt ID
Receipt Timestamp
Processing Date
Payment Indicator
Form Bundle Number
Charge Reference Number

At least, that's what our bridging software, Easy MTD VAT (https://easymtdvat.com) gets back from HMRC after successfully submitting a VAT return!

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17th May 2019 16:28

The way to confirm things is to use software (and you could use any bridging software including Mr Easy's or mine-vat.direct) to look up the previous vat returns API. That will then tell you what is on HMRC's servers.

Interestingly today I saw the receipt from one of my client's vat returns and it was missing the direct debit indicator even though he is due to pay by direct debit.

Hence that is a useful first sign that you may not have the direct debit taken on time.

It is important to remember that you can swap between different MTD systems at a moments notice.

That means if you have a cloud accounting implementation that is not that good you can use one of the bridging systems to deal with the missing things.

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17th May 2019 16:38

John is correct in saying what he said. In Easy MTD VAT you would pull the VAT data from HMRC then view the associated Fulfilled Obligation to see the submission receipt data I talked of.

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By Compter
03rd Jun 2019 07:15

I filed a VAT return from Sage 50 for MTD. The Sage showed the correlation id, date time etc. However, neither I (as Agent) or my client have yet received a confirmation email - 6 days since filing. I contacted Sage on the day of filing and they said that as far as they were concerned the information had left their software as the correlation id was there, but I could ring HMRC to check.

Thought I would just look at old agent site to see if it showed as being file there, but it did not.

Would like to contact HMRC, but will probably be faced with we do not hold a 64-8, even though I am the agent, this approval has always been through letter/email confirmation.

My MTD Agent site shows this one client on it through manage users, but you can not see anything else.

Any advice please.

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to Compter
03rd Jun 2019 09:34

You need the payment indicator from the electronic receipt, but it sounds like they have lost the dd or something. Keep an eye on whether the dd is taken.

Hopefully your mtd software saves the receipt.

Alternatively get some mtd software that allow you to look at submitted returns and see what HMRC have on their system.

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By Compter
to johnhemming
03rd Jun 2019 08:53

Thank you.

The return was for a refund (Farmer). The indicator said Bank and there was no charge reference number. I did query Sage about this and they said as it would be a refund this was probably why. I need to see the refund coming back into the client's account, but this usually takes a little time and in the meantime there is no email receipt.

I pay a lot of money to Sage for my Sage client MTD. They are a leading firm who are registered with HMRC as being compliant. I have no reason to doubt this piece of software currently and can always view on the software the VAT return sent and the correlation number on it. Perhaps they need to have a link direct to HMRC site that progresses further than the submission.

Do you know if I will ever be able to check on the HMRC Agents MTD site the submitted VAT returns please.

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to Compter
03rd Jun 2019 09:35

The word "Bank" indicates that you should be paid via BACS. The other APIs may give an indication on time, but there have been quite a few problems on timing issues and I don't know how reliable they are.

MTD can run through both client and agent credentials simultaneously. That may be a way to achieve what you want.

(Note that notwithstanding discussions on AW where someone disagreed with this I did check it with HMRC in the last week and it is intended to be true).

I would be surprised if HMRC provided software to give all the MTD functionality via the ASA simply because free MTD software can be used to do this and I would expect that to be their answer.

(see private messages for more detail)

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By Compter
03rd Jun 2019 13:29

Thank you.

Waiting game then. We will see.

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to Compter
08th Jun 2019 09:19

Well the money came in, so I guess that the return arrived at HMRC.

Their site is a real mess. One minute you sign in and it shows the new Agents site, the next minute it reverts to the old type site. No listing of clients, unless you go into manage users, strange place to keep the list.

I really don't see why they are unable to send an email that just confirms they have received the communication from our software. It's just a bit of reassurance that goes a long way to proving the system is working.

I have been reading the last report seen regarding accountants and book keepers being stressed about all this. It is stressing, but does not need to be. It just needs more organisation by HMRC. Hope someone there reads this thread.

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to Compter
08th Jun 2019 13:11

Compter wrote:

I really don't see why they are unable to send an email that just confirms they have received the communication from our software. It's just a bit of reassurance that goes a long way to proving the system is working.


a) They provide an electronic receipt when you submit the return.
b) You can look up whether or not it is received via MTD software. If the MTD software you use does not allow this you can get a second software interface and use that to look up the situation.
Hence an email is not needed as there is a better answer already available.
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