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Help on not filing tax returns over 19 years.

Male 64 years old. In need of advice on HMRC fines over long periods.

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Self employed male 64 was a soul trader with an electronics business from the year 1977 until the year 2000, Used accountants for filing tax returns, Accountants has since closed for business in 2009.

Electronics business ceased to trade December 2000  The Accountant knew he was closing his business in 2000

He has never recieved a tax return since, his address did not change until 2013

Lived as stay at home partner from 2000 until 2013 He had no income during this period. His girl friend was on a reasonable income from PAYE work.

Moved in with a new partner in the year 2013 to 2019 with no income for that period. He is still in this relationship but currently living in Portugal and now intending to apply to live in Portugal as non habitual resident.

Worried by what HMRC will impose on him when his paper work arrives on a HMRC desk.

Floyd T.

 

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By Wanderer
15th Jan 2019 18:17

Why do you think any paper work should land on anybody's desk?

Also best not to get involved in trading in souls.

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By Floyd T.
16th Jan 2019 13:38

When the Portuguese contact HMRC for UK tax number ?

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By Wanderer
16th Jan 2019 16:19

And why do you think that they would need to do that?

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By Floyd T.
17th Jan 2019 00:47

Wanderer wrote:

And why do you think that they would need to do that?

When I apply for my residence permit they need my UK tax number !

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By Wanderer
17th Jan 2019 05:33

Well tell them it!

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By Tax Dragon
15th Jan 2019 18:26

Why do people, on joining this forum, think it necessary to talk about themselves in the third person?

Any ideas, Floyd?

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By Accountant A
15th Jan 2019 18:42

Tax Dragon wrote:

Why do people, on joining this forum, think it necessary to talk about themselves in the third person?

Any ideas, Floyd?

Presumably he thinks the insanity plea will help in penalty negotiations.

Has the UK got an extradition treaty with Portugal? may be worth checking.

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By Floyd T.
16th Jan 2019 13:39

Smiles* First one I read was in the third person format !

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By Floyd T.
16th Jan 2019 13:41

First one I read was in the third person format ! Is why

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By Tim Vane
15th Jan 2019 18:55

My dog has never submitted a tax return. Lazy mutt sits around all day doing nothing. Hopefully HMRC will catch up with him soon.

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By Lone_Wolf
16th Jan 2019 13:58

Get him to shift and get one done so he can claim your gardening costs. I assume that's where he does his business?

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By Matrix
15th Jan 2019 19:13

I don’t understand the problem if he hasn’t received any income since 2000 and has been supported? Doesn’t sound a bad life.

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By memyself-eye
16th Jan 2019 09:15

Was he married to Aretha? - she was the queen of soul....

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By lionofludesch
16th Jan 2019 09:26

Bless me.©

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By bernard michael
16th Jan 2019 10:01

He's probably worried about the Brexit result
A kept man for 19 years !!!
What's ever he's on I want some

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By Insolvency Practitioner
16th Jan 2019 10:09

I'm confused by the dates - am I correct in understanding he submitted all his tax returns until he ceased trading?

So are there any returns to be submitted and are there actually any liabilities owed to HMRC?

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By Floyd T.
16th Jan 2019 14:34

Yes business returns were all up to date at 2000 and any taxes paid.

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By Duggimon
16th Jan 2019 14:35

What's the question? I have no idea what's going on here. If HMRC are expecting returns then they've probably already sent out what they expect the fines to be, if not then why do you think fines are due?

We don't all have to file tax returns, only people who have unpaid tax due, or who HMRC ask to do so.

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By Floyd T.
16th Jan 2019 14:53

The question is what can HMRC fine for 19 years of non filing of tax returns if they had been sent out Which is unknown.

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By bernard michael
16th Jan 2019 15:07

Catch him if they can if he's going to live in Portugal

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By Tax Dragon
17th Jan 2019 06:53

If you'd moved 2 or 3 years ago and HMRC hadn't heard anything in response to notices to submit returns, there might now be some live penalties to deal with. These days such penalties are automatic and not linked to tax.

As it was 19 years ago, penalties (if there ever were any) issued soon after you moved were capped at tax payable, which you say is nil. Maybe a few notices to complete returns were issued to your old address and you never received them. But that won't have been happening for 19 years.

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By Tax Dragon
17th Jan 2019 07:01

But ultimately que sera sera, as they might say in Lagos. If my previous comment proves to be incorrect, come back and let us know and we'll tell you you need professional advice, whilst lamenting the lack of any capabilities within HMRC.

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By Tax Dragon
17th Jan 2019 07:18

Tax Dragon wrote:

But ultimately que sera sera, as they might say in Lagos.

We're not so poetic in here. Though we do talk at length about flux capacitors.

You can't change the past, Floyd. If you have done nothing wrong, you can't be penalised. Stop looking over your shoulder.

The converse holds true too.

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By Floyd T.
17th Jan 2019 10:55

Catch 22 Once submitted its too late the wheels will be in motion :(

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By Floyd T.
21st Jan 2019 10:14

Well thanks alot you guys you have been a great comfort and such helpfull advice from you ... NOT !

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By lionofludesch
21st Jan 2019 10:22

The helpful advice is there - if you care to read and understand it.

It's been mentioned more than once.

But feel free to flounce off.

Another satisfied customer.©

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