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HMRC MTD Pilot warning - generic?

Just gone to submit a VAT return and got a red box with a cross warning...

Just gone to submit a VAT return and got a red box with a cross warning...

"If you have signed up for the Making Tax Digital pilot you should not use this service to file your return. You must file using MTD compatible and enabled software. If you file using this portal your return will not be received"

It makes you instanty think "have I signed up to the pilot unwittingly, therefore the return won't be received".

Is everybody getting this?

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06th Dec 2018 15:36

Yes - I mentioned it on another thread earlier today.

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06th Dec 2018 15:36

Don't panic I'm getting that message and I'm not using MTD. I've checked VAT returns that I've filed and they've gone through ok.

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06th Dec 2018 16:00

The warning is also factually incorrect as it states

"From 1 April 2019 all VAT registered businesses making taxable supplies above the threshold (£85,000) have to submit their returns using Making Tax Digital compatible software"

This is not true, there are going to be an armful of exemptions where HMRC are not ready, in addition to the long list already published.

Moreover there are going to be other exemptions which we are yet to see published for digitally excluded etc etc.

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06th Dec 2018 17:59

Thanks all.

Sorry I missed Lion's post mentioning this already. I have a client start-up who is relying on getting his import vat repayment asap, so my initial feeling was panic.

The warning couldn't be more stark, with the 'red' box and 'red' cross. The red cross should in my opinion be an exclamation mark at most, as a cross immediately makes you feel you've done something wrong!

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06th Dec 2018 18:52

I note that the warning also encourages clients to sign up to the pilot, the long winded instructions defy belief . Also what would happen if a clients signs up then later finds out they have been misinformed by the software providor and so is unable to file the quarters VAT . What provision have HMRC made for this scenario. Is this a breach of The Taxpayers Charter ?

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to GHarr497688
06th Dec 2018 18:55

GHarr497688 wrote:

Also what would happen if a clients signs up then later finds out they have been misinformed by the software providor and so is unable to file the quarters VAT .


They can always use a bridging provider.
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06th Dec 2018 19:03

Taxpayer provides information to HMRC:

Hmrc should note that as they are required to ensure bridging software is used to reconcile the botched up version of government gateway and ASA caused as a result of inadequate understanding of Taxpayers and Government Systems . Penalties apply for non-compliance !!!!!

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07th Dec 2018 10:30

The answer is all contained in the word IF

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08th Dec 2018 01:59

Yes I got one yesterday.

Going to create a few phone calls I think. Although most clients file for 31/12 quarter so will have my letter by then. Even if they havent had one from HMRC.

Ive not had my own letter from HMRC yet and I am effectively an unrepresented VAT payer.

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10th Dec 2018 15:58

Not had my letter either nor have any clients !!

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By Tornado
10th Dec 2018 22:49

I got a letter a couple of weeks ago and it told me to contact my Accountant ...... hang on, I am my Accountant and I seem to be the only one contacting me.

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to Tornado
10th Dec 2018 22:54

If you recall about five years ago HMRC set up helplines that called the clients Customers and encouraged them not to use an Accountant ! I even remember them offering the clients to go down to the tax office and they would do the year end accounts. What happened to that idea ? Now they send letters out saying you should contact your Accountant. Basically they want the taxpayer to use an Accountant as they know we regulate the system.

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By Tornado
to GHarr497688
10th Dec 2018 23:51

'Basically they want the taxpayer to use an Accountant as they know we regulate the system.'

It takes them a bit of time to realise the obvious but they will get there in the end.

In some countries, business Accounts certified by an Accountant must be filed with a Tax Return. That is basically what we used to do here prior to the more liberal and less well regulated regime of Self-Assessment.

MTD is not the answer to closing the tax gap, being nicer to Accountants would be much more effective.

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