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My client operates a staff agency providing labour to farmers. HMRC Special Investigations have written to him requesting that he provide all details of each of his customers on a form LP1 together with the most recent invoice that he has raised to each customer. The reason given for the information request is in order for HMRC to update their records and no other reason has been given. Is he obliged to provide this information without any other reason being given?

He does have arrears which are being dealt with separately i.e. paying instalments whilst a formal payment plan is negotiated.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thank you.

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20th Dec 2013 21:49

HMRC inqiry
LP1 is not a form that could be completed, but an information leaflet. Maybe HMRC are making an inquiry and are requesting information in order to verify information in a return or returns.

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to lionofludesch
21st Dec 2013 17:10

Dear Novakova

The form is definitely a LP1, there is no information on it but a form which requires completion.  HMRC have asked that a form is completed for each of my client's customers.

There appears to me no reference to the form on the HMRC website.  They haven't formally said that they are making an enquiry.

regards

PMc

 

 

 

 

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21st Dec 2013 09:47

Possible thoughts...

HMRC hold the remit for dealing with national minimum wage issues, so is it possible that a complaint has been submitted suggesting that your client or the farmers are underpaying?

There has also been pressure put on HMRC in relation to the use of agencies to avoid PAYE through the use of non-UK based agencies (Channel Islands, etc.). I presume this doesn't affect your client.

To be honest, it could be anything, but those were the two which sprang to mind.

So called "random enquiries" tend to be nothing of the sort in my opinion.

 

 

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to Justin Bryant
21st Dec 2013 17:13

Dear Frustratedwithhmrc

All the staff are on PAYE, the client is registered with the GLA, all are paid minimum wage or above.

thanks for the input

regards

PMc

 

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21st Dec 2013 10:29

Information collection

In my experience this type of request is more about following a trail to the ultimate target than your client - but that doesn't mean that he could not get caught in fall out if there is anything wrong with his set-up.

The 'farmers' will then be traced and their accounts reviewed to make sure they are declaring results which reflect the level of labour used. It does not seem to be immigration based which is good.

It may well not be obligatory yet but they do have the powers to make formal requests so I would advise assisting rather than resisting in this instance.

 

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to frankfx
21st Dec 2013 17:19

Dear Marion

HMRC originally sent me an email asking for me to provide this information. I thought this was a bit irregular, also I did explain to them that I am not involved in the raising of invoices etc. and that they should write to my client directly to request the information together with a reason as to why they needed.  Almost 3 months later, they wrote to my client, but did not provide any explanation.

thanks for the advice

regards

PMc

 

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21st Dec 2013 18:19

HMRC sending an email?

This is unusual. Do you think somebody is messing about?

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21st Dec 2013 18:38

Dear Peter

The person that sent the email had my contact details from another issue that we had been dealing with.  I thought that it was rather irregular to email about a separate issue.

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By mhtax
21st Dec 2013 19:25

@Patricia

Do you think you could put up a scanned copy of the form as none of us seem to have seen them before

Thanks

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to Red Leader
22nd Dec 2013 15:03

Scan of form LP1

I have scanned the form but am unable to upload it for some reason. I'll keep trying

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22nd Dec 2013 15:06

Scan of form LP1
Please would someone help me out with upload this scan. thanks

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23rd Dec 2013 09:40

How to upload and post a pic or scan

Hi Patricia,

You should be able to upload your scan within a comment on the site - but to avoid breaking the frame, it would be a great help if you could keep it to 500 pixels wide, either by grabbing a subsection of a bigger image (the Windows 7 Snipping tool is good for this) or making it 500px wide using a program like MS Paint. Here's how to do it:

1. Start a new comment and click the rectangular Image icon with a little cottage in the menu above the comment area.

2. It will take you to an image dialogue box: click the "Browse" button (top right) which will open a new screen that has a prominent Upload link (top left).

3. Browse your computer to find the scan file, click upload.

4. When it appears in the list or you can see the image at the bottom of the library screen, double click it to make it appear within your comment.

If this sequence doesn't work for you, email it to me via editor[at]accountingweb.co.uk and I can post it for you in one of your earlier comments. Thanks for persisting with this and to all the other members who are trying to help out.

 

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to ColA
23rd Dec 2013 17:01

Hi

Many thanks for the guidance.  The problem that I have been having is that when I try to upload an image file i.e. by clicking on the image icon, (the button with the cottage in it), instead of "browse", I get "browse server" and if I click on that I get an html page with the following URL:-

https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/imce?app=ckeditor|sendto%40imceCkeditSendTo|params%40&CKEditor=edit-comment-body-und-0-value&CKEditorFuncNum=4&langCode=en

I don't actually get the option to browse my system.  This is rather strange as I have never experienced a problem with uploading images or any other files before.

I will email it to you instead.

 

many thanks

 

 

 

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23rd Dec 2013 10:12

Test: Photo of Iza (my stepdaughter) and her dog, Pebbles

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By tonyh
to ireallyshouldknowthisbut
30th Dec 2013 20:20

Lovely photograph

Could you please advise how the cat and dog get on together ?

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23rd Dec 2013 18:56

Upload

Patricia

When you get that, click the "upload" button at the top left.

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24th Dec 2013 09:58

Like this...

The link worked for me, Patricia. Thanks for sending over the form so others can see it & read the questions. Here it is:

I hope the worries don't ruin your holiday time. Merry Christmas all!

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24th Dec 2013 10:39

Gone Fishing

This looks like a fishing expedition into your client's customers, rather than your client.

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24th Dec 2013 10:39

Use Excel

I would suggest you prepare your answers on Excel.

It will be a lot easier for you to copy and paste most of the answers in the boxes. Don't forget the trader details as well. It is strange that there is no place for a signature.

I don't see there's any reason for refusing to provide the information or persisting in requesting reasons.

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30th Dec 2013 18:03

Leaflet LP1
Leaflet formerly known as LP1 is at:
www.hmrc.gov.uk/leaflets/labour-providers-due-diligence.pdf
if it is any help. It is now called Use of Labour Providers but can be still found by googling HMRC for LP1.

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30th Dec 2013 20:36

Upstairs and downstairs

Cats live upstairs - and enter and leave through a window - and dog lives downstairs. We have a child gate to stop the dog chasing the cats. The dog spends a lot of time with us but not all the time. She spends most nights and some days with my stepdaughter who has her own flat and shares it with a cat and they seem to respect each other more than our furry residents.

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30th Dec 2013 21:19

Easy way to tell if you have to complete a form.

If there is no legal obligation to complete a form it will say "Please"

If there is a legal obligation it will say "You are required"

Of course they might start off by saying please and then issue a formal notice later on

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