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How do I tell a female intern about her body odour?

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Before I turn the current arrangement with my itern into something permanent, there is one thing that really bothers me- her body odour. It was only about 1-2 days a week. To be blunt she needs to have a shower every day.

I think she tries to covers this with perfume. This makes it far worse.

I find it difficult to approach her about this beacuse she is a woman. With a man I would just come out with it .

I would be grateful for any comments on how to handle this in a sensistive manner.

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By bernard michael bayly
23rd Feb 2011 09:16

Smelly staff

Whatever you do will be resented and will not solve the problem long term. My advice is say nothing but do not take her on permanently as you will have a staff member who deeply hates you and looking to exact revenge when you least expect it. Worse - were you take on another female member of staff you will have formed your own cell of militant feminism with all that implies. However if you do take her on can I come to your Christmas party?

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By Roland195
23rd Feb 2011 09:18

Carefully

If you are a man, then you have no chance whatsoever of coming out of this encounter unscathed. Open a window.

I assume you are aware there could be any number of medical reasons for this?

 

 

 

 

 

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By thisistibi
23rd Feb 2011 09:31

Maybe she does shower, but then she cycles to work? :-)

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By FirstTab
23rd Feb 2011 09:47

All responses so far

made me laugh.

There must be a way round this. I have spent a lot of my time in training. All that training will walk away.

Is there a diplomatic way to approach this? I am assming all the responses are from men. We are not very good at handling these situations? At least I am not.

 

 

 

 

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By Roland195
23rd Feb 2011 09:53

Diplomatic?

If there is a man in the world that can, in summary, tell a girl "you stink, fix it" risking actual bodily harm at the least, I would shake his hand.

 

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By mm01
23rd Feb 2011 10:01

Client?

Perhaps say a client has mentioned it in passing to you and that you appreciate its a very sensitive nature. 

I used to work part time in a gym as an instructor and there was one guy who would come in and stink the whole place out.  It is obviously not uncommon for people to sweat lots in the gym and smell a bit on the way out but this guy would from the moment he walked through the door.  When I approached he about it, it turned out he showered daily(?) but no one had ever told him about antiperspirant deoderant.  Whether that was the truth or not I dont know but we never had complaints about him after that.

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By cymraeg_draig
23rd Feb 2011 10:26

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Just say it straight to her face - but first nail her computer to the desk and remove all staplers and other throwable objects.  Substantial padding should also be worn for your own protection.

In other words, there is no way this can be done without causing upset.

Is it the same days each week?  Does she only shower every other day?  Go the the gym before work? 

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By Jason Dormer
23rd Feb 2011 10:33

Rather you than me

Have you tried coming in to work with a peg on your nose?

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By Guest1
23rd Feb 2011 10:52

OK, we can all have a laugh but

I don't imagine that this person does this deliberately.

Funnily enough I learnt some very useful and sensible and basic hygiene practices from my brother in law who was a Police officer. He would take at least 1 shower each day, sometimes 2 and took pride in his; cleanliness and appearance. In other words, said in the correct environment, with thought and empathy you can lead people to wherever you want them to be.

It sounds as though, apart from this issue, this person ticks all the boxes for you. If that is the case, you need to move forward (sensitively and possibly with patience) and begin to "educate" what you expect. It may be that this person simply has no idea of what people are thinking and, they might just thank you, in the long run. Always be alert to other peoples nature. There really is no need to cause hurt to what may just be a medical problem.

Handle this badly, or, not all all -Well!

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By Spudsy
23rd Feb 2011 11:27

Tackful

I had the same problem with a male member of staff who worked with an office full of women, they wouldn't tell him he had BO because of the same reasons. They asked me to have a word with him and I took him to one side and told him he was causing offense, which he took to mean he'd done something bad. I explained that a few people had mentioned the smell but wanted to be discreet before anyone else spotted it (a little white lie). It turned out he was living in a shared flat with family (on a temp basis) and he struggled to get near the bathroom. I told not to worry about it but sort out the odour before it became a problem. It worked he looked a bit nervous for a few days, I did speak to the people working in the same office as him and mentioned he was having problems at home and to give him a bit of space. It's always easy to make judgments about people without knowing the full story. I would speak to her for her own benefit s*d the job and your discomfort

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By jasonholden
23rd Feb 2011 13:27

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As some have mentioned it could be medical in which case she needs to speak to her doctor.

It could also be true that she has no idea, and your mentioning it could save further embarrassment further down the line.

It may even be that she does not shower enough, maybe she showers at night and is in such a rush in the morning she doesn't have time, or even that her clothing isn't washed properly.

Whatever the reason I would just come straight out with it, take her to one side and politely tell her that you have noticed how she has body odour and ask if she could please resolve this situation, blunt maybe but how else do you tackle it!

What ever you do, good luck!

Jason

Holden Associates

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By Paul Scholes
23rd Feb 2011 14:42

There's every chance it won't be news to her

I had the same situation a few years back with a member of staff and there's no short cut, just think how you'd like to be told and say the words.  In my case it was clear from the moment I opend my mouth that the person already knew what was coming and was fine about me bringing it up.

OR

Cop out and refer her to an interesting posting on Accountingweb

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By Helen Crowley
23rd Feb 2011 14:49

I've had to do it!

I've had to tackle this during a probation period and it wasn't pleasant - albeit the other way round i.e. I was the female manager speaking to a male member of staff. After giving positive feedback on his work I said that there was a minor personal hygiene issue that I wanted to mention, that I found the office uncomfortably hot sometimes and kept deodorant in my drawer and that perhaps he ought to be doing the same. I asked if there was anything at work that made him particularly anxious etc. I did tell a small white lie and said that I was the only person that had noticed and that if it were me in his position then I'd want to know about it so that I could do something to correct the situation before other people made any unpleasant comments. I also made sure that I brought it up with him at the very end of a Friday afternoon so that he didn't have to suffer the embarrassment of sitting there all day wondering if he smelled. The Monday morning was literally a fresh start, I never had to speak to him on the subject again and he appreciated being made aware. These days you do have to cover yourself and make sure there is no underlying medical problem and it would be a good idea after the meeting to immediately write down details of what was said by both of you

  

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By cathygrimmer
23rd Feb 2011 15:02

Been there, done that!

I had to do that once with a member of staff - it was (apart from having to make my whole team redundant when the bosses sold the business!) the worst staff issue I ever dealt with. Wish I could remember what I said as he remained a friend and we still exchange Christmas cards 15 years on. It must have been when I was still tactful - not sure I would be able to do it now!

I do remember that he had no idea and felt dreadful - but he did fix the problem. It also helped his love life as he started dating after that!

As a previous contributor has suggested, some people don't realise that showering at night so you can get up and make an early start isn't enough (at least - it isn't once you have reached puberty!!). I used to travel (only occasionally, thankfully) with a girl like that once. She was very proud of how early she started each day and how long she worked but I'm glad I wasn't her colleague because by the end of the day she wasn't nice to be near.

Good luck, FirstTab. I think you must just tell her in a polite and matter of fact way and then carry on as if nothing has happened. Make it sound relatively unimportant and an occasional problem but something you felt you ought to point out in passing. If you don't make a meal of it, hopefuly she won't either.

Let us know how you get on!

Cathy

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By Spudsy
23rd Feb 2011 15:35

Smelly Interview

Going off the theme a little bit I went for an interview last week and the panel was made up of three women and as soon as I stepped into the office they were carrying out the interviews the smell of body odour hit me, put me off the job and must've affected my performance. Either they didn't notice or they were to polite to say anything to each other, shame because it will make a difference in getting the best person for the job.

-- www.bagofreceipts.co.uk www.image-uk.com

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By mikewhit
24th Feb 2011 09:17

Roundabout opportunity

This is the second 'personal habits' question in a few weeks.

I think there's scope for a 'personal development questionnaire' with a hidden agenda.

Each worker is sent a link to a website (or maybe it's a little booklet) where they fill in questions (in confidence) and get a score, maybe some suggestions at the end.

But the hidden agenda is that it is really about getting people to change their habits.

question 3a) when do you shower: weekly, daily before work, daily after work ....

question 6a) do you use anti perspirant / deodorant: daily, before work ...

question 8c) do you cough, clear your throat or sniff noisily on a frequent basis ...

Results:

point 5. Have you considered showering daily ...

point 7. Have you considered applying deodorant (armpits and body) before going to work. It can often happen  that colleagues are unwilling to tell you ...

etc.

 

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By Dr G House
24th Feb 2011 10:02

Differential diagnosis

It's Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia.  Run a tox screen and give her a full body CT scan then come back to me when they confirm my diagnosis.  FirstTab, I need you to go to her house and check for anything abnormal there, take C_D for the actual breaking and entering part.

Now I'm going on my break, run along.

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By Trevor Scott
24th Feb 2011 10:33

I can't believe this thread is still going ...

... as soon as I read the question I knew it would be from Firsttab.

The first question is .... is this even a real scenario?

The second question is ....  why is Firsttab raising questions that should never arise with anyone having a modicum of common sense.

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By FirstTab
24th Feb 2011 12:01

I ask as I find them

I ask questions on areas I need help/different perspectives on. I rather ask and be accused of not having any common sense.

I find majority of response a massive help. I do not know it all. I know very little and I have a lot to learn.

For those who do not like my postings. Don't read, just skim and move on. Use the power of choice you have.

The questions I raise are the ones I face. They are not made up.

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By jaybee661
24th Feb 2011 13:53

... oh dear...

It was a while ago that I questioned the professionalism of some people posting to this site, which I thought was for questions in relation to accountancy.  I think this post proves my point.

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By Constantly Confused
24th Feb 2011 14:09

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Yes, let us travel back to the hacylon days when if you asked a question not entirely related to accountancy or, heaven forbid, a stupid question, you got whined at by a core group of board users, in those days generally hiding behind the annonymous feature.

Pro tip: If the title is flipant and you are from the accountancy police, don't go into the topic.  It is that simple.

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By Dr G House
24th Feb 2011 14:13

Differential Diagnosis

Jaybee needs a humour transplant, stat.  Check the donor lists to see if anoyone has croaked today who has laughed at some point in their lives, prep them both for the OR.

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By cymraeg_draig
24th Feb 2011 14:16

Talking of "professionalism".

It was a while ago that I questioned the professionalism of some people posting to this site, which I thought was for questions in relation to accountancy.  I think this post proves my point.

 

Posted by jaybee661 on Thu, 24/02/2011 - 13:53

 

I'm more inclined to question the "professionalism" of someone who would post such a pompous and uncalled for comment as yours.

 

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By cathygrimmer
24th Feb 2011 14:26

@Trevor/Jaybee

Come on Trevor/Jaybee. What's the problem? It isn't as if you're paying for the questions to be answered - we give of our own free time. Having been in the situation of having to speak to a junior member of staff about BO, I can tell you I certainly consulted friends/colleagues for advice on how to approach the problem - which is what FirstTab is doing here. He quite rightly wants to resolve the problem without causing unnecessary offence (or being sued). If you don't like his posts - or other's that stray from the academic field of accountancy, don't read them. It's very simple.

Cathy

[email protected]

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By Trevor Scott
24th Feb 2011 17:12

This ...

... is a website for professionals who should have the basic personal qualities of an accountant/advisor to communicate/handle staff/clients/HMRC etc etc, and therefore be able to deal with the day’s trivialities quickly and without incident. I prefer a debate about a tax case, implementation of GAAP, or even the latest cock[***]-ups at HMRC and how to get around them.

But daily trivialities such as ….Dismiss Valentine’s Dayhttps://www.accountingweb.co.uk/anyanswers/dismiss-valentines-day/479647Does this sound like a mystery shopper email?https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/anyanswers/does-sound-mystery-shopper-email/479976Taking a break from workhttps://www.accountingweb.co.uk/anyanswers/taking-break-work/481346… have all the interest/integrity/quality of junk mail or twitters. If someone can’t handle dealing with an issue of BO in an office, then just what confidence should I have in them when dealing with a client’s affairs!Is Firsttab the alter ego of someone on the editorial staff, dreaming up questions to make the site appear busy?

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By ShirleyM
24th Feb 2011 17:39

One Man Band syndrome

I think First Tab needs someone to bounce ideas off, and maybe he/she is cheeky enough to try and gain a valuable insight to other accountants practices. Haven't we all tried to benefit from other peoples experiences?

As said by others, you can tell from the heading whether it is accounts/tax related. Just skip them if they don't interest you. I quite enjoy First Tab's forays into the unknown.

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By cymraeg_draig
24th Feb 2011 18:31

Pompous
This ..... is a website for professionals who should have the basic personal qualities of an accountant/advisor to communicate/handle staff/clients/HMRC etc etc, and therefore be able to deal with the day’s trivialities quickly and without incident.  Posted by Trevor Scott on Thu, 24/02/2011 - 17:12

 

And you of course have all these wondrous qualities in abundance ?  Exacly what part of the courses in accountancy specifically trains an accountant in staff management, and the 101 other things that crop up whilst running your own business ? 

I must have nodded off that afternoon.

This is actually a site for professionals to exchange views, ideas, and knowledge, and occasionally trivia too (if that meets with your approval).

I suggest that the next time you're the recipient of a personallity transplant, you check first to ensure that the donor has one.

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"have all the interest/integrity/quality of junk mail or twitters"

Posted by Trevor Scott on Thu, 24/02/2011 - 17:12

 

Is it beyond your capabilities to simply not read those that you "dont approve of"?

 

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If someone can’t handle dealing with an issue of BO in an office, then just what confidence should I have in them when dealing with a client’s affairs!

Posted by Trevor Scott on Thu, 24/02/2011 - 17:12

 

That's quite a nasty personal insult against the OP for which you have no basis.

Given your attitude in your posting, I would have no confidence in you being able to handle a clients affairs without rubbing both the client and the Revebue up the wrong way.

 

I consider your posting almost bullying in its tone, content, and pomposity, and NOT the kind of thing that the vast majority want to see.

 

 

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By jaybee661
24th Feb 2011 18:40

... incredible...

I am not sure I've ever seen someone post so many insulting comments as c_d does - unbelievable!

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By Trevor Scott
24th Feb 2011 19:19

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I am not sure I've ever seen someone post so many insulting comments as c_d does - unbelievable!

 

Posted by jaybee661 on Thu, 24/02/2011 - 18:40

 

I had to re-read the post to check whether he was talking about himself.

I think that the last time I was the focus of his wit I think it was inferred that I was a politically correct muppet!

Lets hope that in the coming weeks nobody needs help with "executive" decisions such as whether to buy biros or rollerballs, or whether they should have colour co-ordinated office files.

  

 

 

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By cymraeg_draig
24th Feb 2011 19:29

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 am not sure I've ever seen someone post so many insulting comments as c_d does - unbelievable!

 

Posted by jaybee661 on Thu, 24/02/2011 - 18:40

 

I have - the poster to whom I was responding.

The "unbelievable" thing is the pomposity of the post to which I responded.

 

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By cymraeg_draig
24th Feb 2011 19:33

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Lets hope that in the coming weeks nobody needs help with "executive" decisions such as whether to buy biros or rollerballs, or whether they should have colour co-ordinated office files.

 

Posted by Trevor Scott on Thu, 24/02/2011 - 19:19

 

If they do we will leave it to you to answer - since you consider such things so "easy".

The sarcasm in your post is not unnoticed either - sarcasm is always the shield behind which people hide when they lack the courage to speak out.

I considered your earlier posting to be pompous, unwarranted, and deliberately offensive to the OP, and i said so.  If you don't like it - TOUGH.

 

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By FirstTab
24th Feb 2011 21:04

Trevor Scott and others not happy with my thread

Firstly thank you to all those who provided words of support.

Trevor there is nothing preventing you to raise threads on areas that interest you. Further, you can just skim over my threads, the subject lines are very clear.

I am a real person and not an alter ego.

It takes all sorts. I am the type even when I know the answers I will ask. Even though the question will be really basic. Normally threads go in a direction that did not even arise in my mind. A very good example of this is my laptop thread. Paul and CD brought eco points that did not even occur to me.

Admittedly a large number of my threads are not accounting and tax related. I find in these areas I can easily get help on from my support structure. It is on areas ACCA does not examine you on I need real help. This thread is a good example.  I had a great laugh but also responses from people who have had experience of this was so helpful.

Some of my threads are just for fun. I just like to see how other accountants view the world.

You see it AW as a serious academic site. I see it as all round site where all sorts of areas are discussed. I think we could both have our own way by clicking on threads that interest us. I think just restricting to accounting and tax will make this site really narrow.

In the past I had a large team with managers reporting to me. I found asking even the most basic questions revealed so much about areas I did not think about. Plus Shirely makes a valid point -at times I raise questions just to see peoples reactions. In addition, with people probelms there was always HR I  could delegate to.

This in only my third year in practice as I have said before I have a lot to learn. I have found I learn a great deal from any answers.

There a lot more to come from me. It will not stop till AW decide to delete posts.

 

 

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By Flash Gordon
25th Feb 2011 09:32

And back to answering the question

The next time she's in after a day off why not pretend you had a prospective client in the day before (i.e. so she won't know you're lying) and that they were a real stinker. 'I had a potential in yesterday but I don't think I could take them on because they have really bad B.O. and I was struggling not to gag. I always shower and put clean clothes and anti-perspirant on in the morning before work (covering the potentially showered but dirty clothes option mentionned earlier) and I don't understand why everyone wouldn't do the same. Maybe I should write it into employment contracts from now on! (insert laugh) And client letters of engagement! (both laugh together) I'd hate any client to feel uncomfortable coming to see us here because they thought we smelt.' Then maybe mention how you worry slightly after you've cycled to work in case you've got a bit sweaty in the hope that she might engage brain herself.

And if that Oscar-winning performance doesn't do the trick then put yourself in her position and think what you'd feel least sensitive about hearing if someone said it you.

(Of course if she turns around and says you do pong after cycling then I recommend firing her on the spot!) 

ps Dr House's comments made me laugh, I haven't watched House in ages and I think I might get the dvds out again for a refresh

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By Constantly Confused
25th Feb 2011 09:33

Note to the admins

When I meet people IRL and AW comes up in the discussion no-one so far has said 'Oh I love it, it is such a professional place', nor do they lament that less than 100% of posts are serious.

What they DO say includes phrases such as 'uptight users', 'can't take a joke', 'need to lighten up'.

For the love of Benji please don't listen to the minority who whinge constantly about the integrity of the profession being harmed by this forum and its light hearted posts, this forum is a better place for them.

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By Becky Midgley
25th Feb 2011 10:03

Aweb, a rose by any other name...

Guys, yes, we are Accountingweb.co.uk, therefore a community for accountants and those with an interest in accounting. We like to think that our members feel comfortable enough to post anything which concerns them here and that other members will take their time to reply if they wish. As FirstTab said, his titles are quite clear. If you do not have an interest in the topic outlined in the title, then avoid the thread. You do no good coming onto such threads and bittering them.

If you wish to stick to what you consider purely professional matters then do so, and let other members decide what they want to participate in.

Thank you.

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By Trevor Scott
25th Feb 2011 10:21

More Flash Harry?

And back to answering the question

The next time she's in after a day off why not pretend you had a prospective client in the day before (i.e. so she won't know you're lying) and that they were a real stinker. 'I had a potential in yesterday but I don't think I could take them on because they have really bad B.O. and I was struggling not to gag. I always shower and put clean clothes and anti-perspirant on in the morning before work (covering the potentially showered but dirty clothes option mentionned earlier) and I don't understand why everyone wouldn't do the same. Maybe I should write it into employment contracts from now on! (insert laugh) And client letters of engagement! (both laugh together) I'd hate any client to feel uncomfortable coming to see us here because they thought we smelt.' Then maybe mention how you worry slightly after you've cycled to work in case you've got a bit sweaty in the hope that she might engage brain herself.

 And if that Oscar-winning performance doesn't do the trick then put yourself in her position and think what you'd feel least sensitive about hearing if someone said it you.

 (Of course if she turns around and says you do pong after cycling then I recommend firing her on the spot!)

 ps Dr House's comments made me laugh, I haven't watched House in ages and I think I might get the dvds out again for a refresh

 Posted by Flash Gordon on Fri, 25/02/2011 - 09:32

 

Don’t you think there is a fundamental problem with an accountant lying, admitting to lying, encouraging others to lie, or to use their dishonesty as a vehicle to solve simple issues that should never be problems!?

 

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By Trevor Scott
25th Feb 2011 10:31

Becky

Aweb, a rose by any other name...

Guys, yes, we are Accountingweb.co.uk, therefore a community for accountants and those with an interest in accounting. We like to think that our members feel comfortable enough to post anything which concerns them here and that other members will take their time to reply if they wish. As FirstTab said, his titles are quite clear. If you do not have an interest in the topic outlined in the title, then avoid the thread. You do no good coming onto such threads and bittering them.

 If you wish to stick to what you consider purely professional matters then do so, and let other members decide what they want to participate in.

 Thank you.

 Posted by Becky Midgley on Fri, 25/02/2011 - 10:03

 

So Becky, is the aim of AW to focus on what it “says on the tin”, ie be accounting related, or is it to be full of general chit chat on issues that are already covered by Sift Media’s other websites, or even the type of social sites which I am told are full of such non-specific chit chat?  

Please respond, if only to remind users of the other Sift sites in which I hope they will post their non-accounting related “diary”/“blog”/"tweet" entries.

 

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By ShirleyM
25th Feb 2011 10:32

Oh dear

Leave Flash alone.

He has had me in stitches with his wit & humour, especially when Flash & Peter get together & discuss Superman!

I occasionally have problems mistaking 'banter' for serious comments. It seems I am not alone!

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By Flash Gordon
25th Feb 2011 10:48

Flash Harry?

 

Don’t you think there is a fundamental problem with an accountant lying, admitting to lying, encouraging others to lie, or to use their dishonesty as a vehicle to solve simple issues that should never be problems!?  

Posted by Trevor Scott on Fri, 25/02/2011 - 10:21

 

I'm talking about using a white lie to avoid hurting someone's feelings. Yes it's a simple issue that wouldn't be a problem if the intern took more care over personal hygiene (potential medical issues notwithstanding) but as it is an issue and as FirstTab obviously doesn't want to make their intern uncomfortable or embarrassed I suggested a way round that. I don't advocate lying per se on the whole, it's not how I operate (personal or professional) but personally I believe that a white lie is better than making someone feel like crap. Others may feel differently and that's fine, each to their own. FirstTab doesn't have to follow my suggestion, he can use any idea he wants. Hopefully he'll find a solution that both he and the intern are comfortable with. Perhaps you'd like to actually suggest a solution?

(Thanks Shirley, I appreciate the comments :-) )

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By cymraeg_draig
25th Feb 2011 11:23

Jeez

 

So Becky, is the aim of AW to focus on what it “says on the tin”, ie be accounting related, or is it to be full of general chit chat on issues that are already covered by Sift Media’s other websites, or even the type of social sites which I am told are full of such non-specific chit chat?  Please respond, if only to remind users of the other Sift sites in which I hope they will post their non-accounting related “diary”/“blog”/"tweet" entries.  

Posted by Trevor Scott on Fri, 25/02/2011 - 10:31

 

 

Perhaps you should set up your own site - might I suggest you call it - "all your questions answered by Britains most perfect (and boring) accountant".

 

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By Constantly Confused
25th Feb 2011 12:02

Something I have often wondered

Can't we have more than one forum on here, then the purists can avoid having to spit out their brandys every time someone posts a less than perfect topic?

There could be another forum especially for the lighter issues, and even one for each discipline (VAT/General Tax/accountancy etc...) so it is easier to spot relevant topics.  It even asks you to classify your topic, but then just lumps it with all the others.

It's worked for most other websites, why not use it on this one?

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By Trevor Scott
25th Feb 2011 12:03

Flash,

The girl with BO is an issue, the actual problem is the "manager" lacking the skills to resolve/manage the matter quickly and easily.

To others; there aren't any perfect accountants or purists on this site, just people claiming there are so they have a basis to exercise their ego and have a knock.

This used to be a fairly serious accounting website but has increasingly changed, perhaps to the point where the social chit chat/networking side of things has taken over. 

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By cymraeg_draig
25th Feb 2011 12:16

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40 year building a succesful practice, and I still don't know all the answers, nor am I sure the answers I do know are necessarily the best. Managing people is the hardest part of running any business (unless of course your happy to have miserable staff who hate your guts).

One thing I do know however, is that pompous know-it-alls who think that its "easy" and that you shouldnt ever need a little advice, is certainly going to be disliked by his staff. 

The fact that staff don't leave and become friends for life tells me that Im doing something right, and I wouldnt dream of being pompous or "ordering" people about - its counter productive and simply shows that the manager has to order them because he lacks their respect. 

A bit like people who try to "order" others what they can & cant post on a forum and simply show themselves up as pompous and obviously lacking in common sense.  If I'm not interested in a thread, I dont read it - I wonder why these pompous control freaks are incapable of doing the same ?

 

 

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By ShirleyM
25th Feb 2011 12:27

Light hearted relief from the serious bits!

The popularity of these non accounts/tax threads is proven by the 'most commented' and'most read' posts.

I enjoy them, and it seems most other people do, too. I think Aweb have their fingers on the pulse!

 

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By Constantly Confused
25th Feb 2011 12:58

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I had one of the most viewed and commented on topics on this board under one of my old profiles; what was it about?

'Tell me your best accounting jokes'

Go figure.

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By Flash Gordon
25th Feb 2011 13:18

For Trevor

The girl with BO is an issue, the actual problem is the "manager" lacking the skills to resolve/manage the matter quickly and easily.

But given that there have been a number of different answers it seems reasonable to assume that there is no standard way of managing this type of problem? This isn't a tax question where conceivably there could be one particular 'correct' answer as defined by law.

FirstTab recognises a lack of experience / skills in this particular area and has asked for suggestions. Other contributors have said what they have done in the past, what has worked and not worked, what they might do. When I was in industry I was a terrible manager in some ways. But then I only had experience of having reported to terrible managers. I've learnt what not to do (employ anyone probably!) but that doesn't mean I could handle every HR situation on the planet. Amazon don't appear to sell a 'Solution to every conceivable management-type problem - one size fits all' guide and I'm assuming there's a good reason for this.

How would you handle the issue then? You've belittled FirstTab but have yet to prove you have any more skills in this area than he does, only difference is that he has the balls to admit it. Looking forward to your definitive answer Trevor so that we can all learn from it.....

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By cymraeg_draig
25th Feb 2011 13:32

Simply has to be answered -

'Tell me your best accounting jokes'

 

Posted by Constantly Confused on Fri, 25/02/2011 - 12:58

 

 

Tell me your best accounting jokes - Answer , HMRC management.

 

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By petersaxton
25th Feb 2011 14:29

Practical solution

"as soon as I read the question I knew it would be from Firsttab.”

Same here!

FirstTab, welcome to the problems of being an employer. People have come up with some good suggestions but it’s nowhere near certain that they will be successful.

I live near you. How about if I come over one day and tell her she smells? I’ll leave quickly and you wont get the flak. You can even be the "kind employer" who tries to help her.

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By tracybbs
25th Feb 2011 14:39

White lie the best option

I think Flash Gordons answer to the problem is the best one in the circumstances.  Yes it does involve a small lie but it hurts no one and is easier on her feelings than the truth.  If the intern sees through the story and realises that it relates to her own hygiene issues, she still has the option of pretending otherwise and your working relationship will not suffer. 

 

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By cymraeg_draig
25th Feb 2011 15:33

White lies
White lie the best option 

Posted by tracybbs on Fri, 25/02/2011 - 14:39

 

Certain posters who seem to see themselves as the reincarnation of George (I cannot tell a lie) Washington must have very lonely lives.  Are they really claiming that when their wife/girlfriend says to them - "do I look fat in this dress" they actually say yes?  Or when she says "how was it for you" they actually say "well it was OK I suppose but Id sooner have watched Match of the Day"?

Then they wonder why they receive divorce papers and why they keep finding ground up glass in their sandwiches.

 

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