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How to add PAYE to an existing CIS scheme

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Client already has subcontractors and has been submitting CIS returns for years.  Therefore has CIS only scheme.

Now taking on an apprentice on the books.  Do we need to fill in any forms/register with HMRC to say we will now be doing payroll or just start sending RTI submissions using the existing references?  I'm concerned if there is some sort of registration process HMRC will just duplicate!

Thanks for your help, I've looked on HMRC (and tried phoning them but can't get through), checked on this forum and searched online but can only find answers to the opposite question of adding CIS to payroll.

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By lionofludesch
18th Jan 2022 11:58

It's a long time since I did this but I think you need to ring them up.

Test it out by trying to submit the first RTI return. If it goes through, you're laughing.

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By doubletrouble
18th Jan 2022 12:43

I had the same problem, I phoned HMRC but they would not let me add PAYE to the CIS already set up as I only only had client authorisation in place for CIS, you need to either get the client to phone and change it or do what I did and send a paper 64-8

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By julie.severn
19th Jan 2022 15:28

Thanks - we'll give it a go and see if it works, if not I suppose the client will have to make sure they have a spare few hours and try phoning. I'll do a paper 64-8 in the meantime, always the best way!

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By Calculatorboy
19th Jan 2022 02:19

This is why I don't bother with paye

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By lionofludesch
19th Jan 2022 13:13

Calculatorboy wrote:

This is why I don't bother with paye

You just go for cash in hand, C-boy?

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By NYB
19th Jan 2022 12:27

I maybe wrong but I think you can file without PAYE authorisation BUT thats all you can do. You dont have full access. Just go thru the process of obtaining the additional authority for PAYE. As in "register for another tax"It works in reverse. So no reason why it doesnt work this way round. Its the normal sending password to client etc.

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By doubletrouble
19th Jan 2022 12:48

You can file without authorisation but if the client is only set up for CIS and not PAYE then the submission will come back as ‘HMRC are not expecting this submission’
I also tried to register the client for PAYE as a new tax but received no reply which I suspect was because they already had the same references for CIS.

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