How to get rid of company shares....

A shareholder wants to remove himself from a company - how?

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A client, is a director and 50/50 shareholder of a company he no longer wants anything to do with (there is one other director and 50% shareholder). I do not act for the company only for the director personally. I understand how he can resign as director, but my question is how does he get rid of his shates? The co director does not want to allow my client to remove himself from the company due to the conflict. Any advice would be appreciated.

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By johngroganjga
29th Mar 2017 18:44

If he feels so strongly he can give them to the other shareholder, but you will no doubt advise him whether it is in his best interests to do so.

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By thestudyman
30th Mar 2017 01:10

He/she needs to persuade the other shareholder to buy them out, otherwise there is little else to do.

The perils of running a 50-50 owned business without a shareholders agreement!

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By Justin Bryant
30th Mar 2017 09:57

He could gift the beneficial interest in them to someone under a declaration of trust, so that he becomes a mere nominee legal owner (the donee's consent is not needed as far as I am aware).

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By DJKL
30th Mar 2017 10:16

Would potentially Model Articles (if appropriate) be an impediment?

"Company not bound by less than absolute interests

23. Except as required by law, no person is to be recognised by the company as holding any share upon any trust, and except as otherwise required by law or the articles, the company is not in any way to be bound by or recognise any interest in a share other than the holder’s absolute ownership of it and all the rights attaching to it."

Share transfers might also under same potentially be an issue.

Frankly, if an impasse, probably needs to pass 50% to Tony Soprano to deal with, he had a niche in taking "interests" in other business entities

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By Justin Bryant
30th Mar 2017 10:53

Yes; good point, although a bare trust would be an absolute beneficial interest and a bare trust is not really a trust proper, so it's possibly a bit of a grey area although there are many court cases like that below where a nominee shareholder has been readily recognised for one reason or another under English law and an express DoT is normally conclusive in the absence only of fraud, sham and undue influence (or mistake - for you need to go to court to set it aside).

“97. If this were a purely domestic case there would be no possible doubt of the effect of the declarations of trust: they give the beneficiary “the paradigm of an equitable interest in property”: Snell’s Equity, para 2-002. “Once a trust is established, as from the date of its establishment the beneficiary has, in equity, a proprietary interest in the trust property, which proprietary interest will be enforceable in equity against any subsequent holder of the property (whether the original property or substituted property ...)”: Westdeutsche Landesbank Girozentrale v Islington London Borough Council [1996] AC 669, at 705.”

https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2015-0009-judgment.pdf

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By Justin Bryant
30th Mar 2017 11:12

Sorry, that DoT idea does not work after all for the rather obvious reason that the donee can simply ask the donor to hold it beneficially for the donor instead.

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By johngroganjga
30th Mar 2017 11:20

Aren't we over-thinking here? The question is how to get rid of shares (not, by the way, whether it is in the OP's client's interest to do so without compensation). The answer it seems to me is the one I gave in my first response. All the other stuff - trusts etc., or requiring payment for them before doing so - is much more complicated and fails to achieve the allegedly desired objective of the client divesting himself of the shares in their entirety immediately.

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By lionofludesch
30th Mar 2017 11:37

The shareholder who wants to leave could try making himself a bloody nuisance at every opportunity.

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By Ruddles
30th Mar 2017 11:54

Spot on. For starters, he will potentially screw up any tax-efficient profit extraction that the continuing director may be considering.

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By David Winch
30th Mar 2017 12:50

I do not understand why the client needs to (or wants to) rid himself of the shares. I can understand why he no longer wishes to be a director.
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By williamsaccounts
30th Mar 2017 13:03

Thanks everyone. I agree, I'd tell him to keep the shares and I will. It's up to him at the end of the day. He just wants to cut all ties and move on. I cant file the TM01 electronically as i have no auth code and cant get it. So will have to send a paper one to Co House. Thanks everyone.

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By williamsaccounts
30th Mar 2017 13:45

Thank you. He has already sought legal advice that was the first piece of advice I gave.

He wants to cut ties, but the other director is saying he owes the company money. He is saying he doesnt.

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By Ruddles
30th Mar 2017 13:50

So what? Whether or not there is an outstanding debt has nothing to do with his resignation as director nor disposing of his shares. If there is an outstanding debt, then he would be well-advised to retain the shares and ask for his share of any dividends to be offset against the balance.

Otherwise, the debt (or not) is a matter to be dealt with entirely separately.

Sorry - forgot my caveat

"This comment is provided for general information only. It is not intended to amount to advice on which you should rely [unless said advice is to sod off]. You must obtain professional or specialist advice before taking, or refraining from, any action on the basis of the content of this comment.

I make no representations, warranties or guarantees, whether express or implied, that the content of this comment is accurate, complete or up-to-date - and is in fact more likely than not to be a load of b*llocks."

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By williamsaccounts
30th Mar 2017 13:52

Really helpful thank you.

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By williamsaccounts
30th Mar 2017 13:55

Thank you everyone it's been really helpful. I have decided to advise the client if he wishes (after the legal advice he has sought) to resign as director then i will assist him with the letter of resignation to the company and the paper TM01 to the reg. Although I'm aware the company has a legal responsibility to notify the Reg I wont run the risk they wont bother.

In terms of the shares I re iterate i will advise him to keep them but it is up to him if he wishes to transfer them to the other shareholder. Again i will assist with the paperwork if needed.

I appreciate the time everyone has taken to respond, so helpful.

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By bernard michael
31st Mar 2017 10:35

Have you told us everything relevant
You mentioned
"The co director does not want to allow my client to remove himself from the company due to the conflict"
What conflict

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