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Iris price rise...what other software?

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We have used Iris since starting the practice around 10 year ago, using Accounts, Business tax and Personal Tax.

Our latest invoice, including the new price increase is £ 1,735.09 plus VAT for up to 300 clients, and I simply cannot sustain the massive hike when we go above 300 clients - circa £ 6k lump sum.

What are the best alteratives that are integrated?

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28th Mar 2018 16:10

Resigned from Iris/PTP this year and moved to Taxfiler for . . . . (wait for it) . . . . (drum roll) . . . £15+VAT per month.

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to andy.partridge
29th Mar 2018 10:08

how do you find taxfiler accounts?

i like the idea of it, but it seems a little limited.....no nominal ledgers, no option to add extra account codes etc??

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28th Mar 2018 18:34

Is £1.7k per quarter?

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By murphy1
to Red Leader
28th Mar 2018 21:36

Yes

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By marks
28th Mar 2018 20:06

murphy1 wrote:

Our latest invoice, including the new price increase is £ 1,735.09 plus VAT for up to 300 clients,

Is you invoice £1735.09 + VAT per month, quarter or year?

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By murphy1
to marks
28th Mar 2018 21:36

Per quarter

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28th Mar 2018 20:09

£1700 doesn’t seem to bad for IRis for 300 clients is that annual cost?

Look at BTC or Taxcalc unlimited clients for under £1500

Both have a hybrid type cloud setting were data sits on cloud for easy access yet full functionality of desktop software

Maybe tag one of these cloud PM solutions on to it and Roberts your fathers brother

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By marks
to Glennzy
28th Mar 2018 21:12

Glennzy wrote:

£1700 doesn’t seem to bad for IRis for 300 clients is that annual cost?

I would be surprised if it wasnt £1700 + VAT per month for up to 300 clients.

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By marks
28th Mar 2018 22:07

£23 per client when you hit 300 clients is cheap for IRIS.

We are about £31 per client, but we wont take on more than 300 clients so wont have the need for the modular system, but we do also have Practice management, time and fees, automail and fixed asset register. Our recent quote from IRIS has added on 42% (we have been in a 3 year deal) and unless they can sharpen their pencil we will be moving elsewhere.

As said above look at;

BTC or Taxcalc for accounts/tax

Senta/Accountancy Manager/WhatsGlide/Karbon for Practice management and Time.

We will probably move to Taxcalc and Whatglide as we used to use Taxcalc before moving to IRIS 3 year ago as at that time Taxcalc Practice Management was rubbish (and it still seems not to have changed much) but its accounts and tax is really good (plus integrated). I prefer it to IRIS accounts and tax. However we moved to IRIS mainly for practice management but there are now a number of standalone cloud practice management providers that can do everything IRIS can do. (these providers werent about 3 years ago - WhatsGlide was about but had just started out).

We are also going to look at adding TheGap2014 which is a business development platform and will pay the same for;

Taxcalc/WhatsGlide/TheGap2014 which we currently pay for IRIS.

So effectively doing everything that we do at the moment with the add on of the business development tools.

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28th Mar 2018 23:15

We use Glide & TaxCalc ... fan of both, although TaxCalc doesn’t integrate with anything and the client CSV import isn’t great. Glide are improving every month with new requested features.

We pay £69pcm (unlimited users) for Glide - PM, time & scheduler (although that module isn’t v good get - it’s being worked on and could/should be amazing once finished. I use Excel for our job Planner).

TaxCalc - unlimited SA100s, SA800s, CT600s & accounts; I think we pay c£130pcm for 5 users. Built fur the micro/small clients, it only does FRS105 & 102sA which is probably fine for most practices, but as the accounts are built from an iXBRL point of view (there’s no tagging needed as with other accounts production softwares), some of the flexibility gets lost. e.g. no matter how many times I ask them to add it, there’s still only a handful of reconciling items you can select if you want to show a tax rec in the accounts, and group relief isn’t one of them! Integration from accounts to CT is super slick. As with other softwares, the CoSec module is pants - we use Inform Direct.

I’d not come across TheGap2014 before ... just had a quick look - is it a “teach yourself how to give better advice” type of thing? What do you charge your clients?

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By marks
to atleastisoundknowledgable...
29th Mar 2018 19:09

atleastisoundknowledgable... wrote:

I’d not come across TheGap2014 before ... just had a quick look - is it a “teach yourself how to give better advice” type of thing? What do you charge your clients?

I havent looked into TheGap2014 yet but it seems to be structured system based approach to delivering different business development services.

We use GoProposal to charge clients so clients choose the package of services and price that suits their needs and budget.

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By codling
29th Mar 2018 11:43

We have just renewed TaxCalc but the price here has gone up by about 10% after an increase of 11% last year. Last years increase was advised as being to pay for MTD R&D but no real explanation for this year.
This is another of the hidden MTD costs which affect accountants and thus clients due to passing on the extra cost. There will also be the cost of the MTDFV compliant software in due course followed by full MTD software from 2020.
So much for the free software for small bus that was talked about when MTD was first conceived!

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29th Mar 2018 21:58

We currently use Iris, and have been trialling Taxcalc. Like the look of Taxcalc for accounts and tax and the mail merge looks to be easier to use than iris Automail. However the loss of functionality in co sec might be an issue, but hoping we can live with that as the annual saving would be about £7k. I was not expecting the Practice Management in Taxcalc to be up to much, but first impressions are that it would be worth trying and then if it's not up to the job we would use something like Accountancy Manager. The renewal from Iris landed in my in box this evening and the Iris price rise looks to be around 10%, which I think has just removed any qualms I had about changing

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By marks
to Mouse house
01st Apr 2018 12:14

Mouse house wrote:

However the loss of functionality in co sec might be an issue

Use inform direct for your co sec requirements. We have used it for about 3 years and it does everything that you need. We also use it to keep a track of what accounts and confirmation statements are due rather than using IRIS to keep a track of this.

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